Seeking Avocet/Huntsville Micro HMI-200 materials

On 17/03/2021 06:35, Tony Karavidas wrote:
> Trying to find anyone who has sourcegate (dos or windows) for the
> 68000, and other HMI-200 emulators. I have the Z80 and would be
> willing to maintain a place to share this stuff.
> 

If you are going to use Google's broken interface to Usenet, please
quote the original post correctly (with attributions).  And please look
at dates before replying - it is usually pointless to reply to ancient
posts, and is better if you start a new thread.

Remember, Usenet is not google - /real/ Usenet is more like a
combination of a chat group and email.  Usenet users might have posts
going back a few months conveniently on hand, but we need context quoted
in the posts.  No one is going to bother looking up old archives without
good reason, and no one can read your mind to know what you are thinking
about.

There is relatively low posting rates in this group, but there are many
experienced people who pop up for interesting discussions and are happy
to help.  If you want to join in, I strongly recommend you get a proper
newsreader client and a proper news server (Thunderbird and
news.eternal-september.org are a good and free combination that many
use).  It makes Usenet a much nicer place both for you and for others.
Posting with google groups is a lot harder and less efficient to do
properly.

On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 1:02:56 AM UTC-7, David Brown wrote:
> On 17/03/2021 06:35, Tony Karavidas wrote: 
> > Trying to find anyone who has sourcegate (dos or windows) for the 
> > 68000, and other HMI-200 emulators. I have the Z80 and would be 
> > willing to maintain a place to share this stuff. 
> >
> If you are going to use Google's broken interface to Usenet, please 
> quote the original post correctly (with attributions). And please look 
> at dates before replying - it is usually pointless to reply to ancient 
> posts, and is better if you start a new thread. 
> 
> Remember, Usenet is not google - /real/ Usenet is more like a 
> combination of a chat group and email. Usenet users might have posts 
> going back a few months conveniently on hand, but we need context quoted 
> in the posts. No one is going to bother looking up old archives without 
> good reason, and no one can read your mind to know what you are thinking 
> about. 
> 
> There is relatively low posting rates in this group, but there are many 
> experienced people who pop up for interesting discussions and are happy 
> to help. If you want to join in, I strongly recommend you get a proper 
> newsreader client and a proper news server (Thunderbird and 
> news.eternal-september.org are a good and free combination that many 
> use). It makes Usenet a much nicer place both for you and for others. 
> Posting with google groups is a lot harder and less efficient to do 
> properly.

I don't understand what you point is about using "Google's broken interface to Usenet." I wrote something and it appeared here. What exactly is wrong with that? 
 

On 18/03/2021 01:31, Tony Karavidas wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 1:02:56 AM UTC-7, David Brown wrote:
>> On 17/03/2021 06:35, Tony Karavidas wrote:
>>> Trying to find anyone who has sourcegate (dos or windows) for the
>>>  68000, and other HMI-200 emulators. I have the Z80 and would be
>>>  willing to maintain a place to share this stuff.
>>> 
>> If you are going to use Google's broken interface to Usenet, please
>>  quote the original post correctly (with attributions). And please
>> look at dates before replying - it is usually pointless to reply to
>> ancient posts, and is better if you start a new thread.
>> 
>> Remember, Usenet is not google - /real/ Usenet is more like a 
>> combination of a chat group and email. Usenet users might have
>> posts going back a few months conveniently on hand, but we need
>> context quoted in the posts. No one is going to bother looking up
>> old archives without good reason, and no one can read your mind to
>> know what you are thinking about.
>> 
>> There is relatively low posting rates in this group, but there are
>> many experienced people who pop up for interesting discussions and
>> are happy to help. If you want to join in, I strongly recommend you
>> get a proper newsreader client and a proper news server
>> (Thunderbird and news.eternal-september.org are a good and free
>> combination that many use). It makes Usenet a much nicer place both
>> for you and for others. Posting with google groups is a lot harder
>> and less efficient to do properly.
> 
> I don't understand what you point is about using "Google's broken
> interface to Usenet." I wrote something and it appeared here. What
> exactly is wrong with that?
> 

It appeared here - in the comp.arch.embedded Usenet group - but your
three posts are meaningless to anyone who reads them here.  And they are
meaningless to the people who originally asked the questions, because
those were 15 to 20 years ago.

Google's groups interface is fine for searching archives - that's
google's speciality.  But it is poor as an active client for actual
Usenet - which is /not/ a google website.  Some people do manage to use
it properly, but it takes more effort and is less efficient than using a
newsreader program.  Amongst its flaws include an inability to follow
standard Usenet conventions (which can be overcome with enough effort by
the user), inability to handle formatted text (like code snippets)
correctly, inability to handle some group names correctly,
inappropriately blocking groups, making life easier for spammers, and
encouraging necroposting.  And of course, being a web interface it is a
lot slower and less efficient to use, and threads get dragged out in
time because many google groups users only log in occasionally.

It is good for searching, good for people who can't (or won't) install
dedicated software on their computers, and good for an occasional visit
to a group that you would not normally follow.

You don't /have/ to use proper Usenet software for accessing Usenet -
it's just advice, to make Usenet more useful for you.

But you /do/ have to follow Usenet standards, and you have to stop
necroposting - assuming, of course, you want to help people, get help,
or engage in discussions.  If you want people to think you are just yet
another google spammer and ignore you, then your current posts are fine.

Hopefully that is enough information so that you can see the problem
with your three posts.  And hopefully you'll find /recent/ posts and
threads that are of interest here, and can join in or make your own threads.

On 3/16/2021 10:35 PM, Tony Karavidas wrote:
> Trying to find anyone who has sourcegate (dos or windows) for the 68000, and
> other HMI-200 emulators. I have the Z80 and would be willing to maintain a
> place to share this stuff.

<http://www.bitsavers.org/bits/HuntsvilleMicrosystems/HMI-200/Sourcegate_1.43_68000.zip>

You may wish to offer what you have to AEK to add it to his archive,
by way of a "Thank You"...

On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 9:40:24 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
> On 3/16/2021 10:35 PM, Tony Karavidas wrote: 
> > Trying to find anyone who has sourcegate (dos or windows) for the 68000, and 
> > other HMI-200 emulators. I have the Z80 and would be willing to maintain a 
> > place to share this stuff.
> <http://www.bitsavers.org/bits/HuntsvilleMicrosystems/HMI-200/Sourcegate_1.43_68000.zip> 
> 
> You may wish to offer what you have to AEK to add it to his archive, 
> by way of a "Thank You"...

Thanks Don. I did reach out to AEK. We'll see if he wants it.

On 3/22/2021 6:56 PM, Tony Karavidas wrote:
> On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 9:40:24 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
>> On 3/16/2021 10:35 PM, Tony Karavidas wrote:
>>> Trying to find anyone who has sourcegate (dos or windows) for the 68000, and
>>> other HMI-200 emulators. I have the Z80 and would be willing to maintain a
>>> place to share this stuff.
>> <http://www.bitsavers.org/bits/HuntsvilleMicrosystems/HMI-200/Sourcegate_1.43_68000.zip>
>>
>> You may wish to offer what you have to AEK to add it to his archive,
>> by way of a "Thank You"...
> 
> Thanks Don. I did reach out to AEK. We'll see if he wants it.

Great!  I hope it works out for you!

It's nice that someone is stashing all of this "old technology/documentation".

I've a bunch of stuff to bundle up and send along to him, as well...

Hoping to revive a thread that's kind of long in the tooth, but what the hell...

I'm one of the guys who manages the Data I/O group over at groups.io , and a
couple of years ago I started a logic analyzer group there - all makes welcome,
as well as other related embedded development stuff like emulators.  Turns out
that gathering pieces and info on these things is *way* harder than with the 
device programmers, for a number of reasons.

I've been searching around a little for HMI stuff, both for the archive and myself,
as I have one of their HC11 HM-200s.  There's not a lot at bitsavers, though it was
interesting to compare the photos of the 68K system with the stack in my machine.

I'd be curious whether you ever got anywhere with AEK wrt archiving any software
and docs you have.  I know he's pretty oversubscribed as far as that work goes, so
to that end I'm now setting up a couple of high-throughput (sheet feed duplex)
scanners in my lab.  Results, of course, will be shared about including with Al.

Anyway, I'd welcome any of you (who haven't already) to join us over there.

Jonathan