At work we're migrating from Source"Safe" to SVN. There is a strong
focus on GUI-based tools for this, and the dev environment is Windows-
only.

I'm currently using TortoiseSVN which looks very pretty but is
excruciating, frustrating and confusing in the extreme to use;
absolutely nothing works the way you'd expect. Is there a simple-to-
use Win32 SVN client that does NOT have shell integration, and that
can:

- look at the repository and compare two versions in the repository.
(I still haven't worked out how to do this in Tortoise).
- compare copy on my hard disk to repository HEAD.
- check in, check out, lock, unlock.
- merge capability is optional (we never use it, don't trust it).

I basically want something that pops up two window panes, one showing
the repository, one showing my hard drive.

larwe wrote:
> At work we're migrating from Source"Safe" to SVN. There is a strong
> focus on GUI-based tools for this, and the dev environment is Windows-
> only.
> 
> I'm currently using TortoiseSVN which looks very pretty but is
> excruciating, frustrating and confusing in the extreme to use;
> absolutely nothing works the way you'd expect. Is there a simple-to-
> use Win32 SVN client that does NOT have shell integration, and that
> can:
> 
> - look at the repository and compare two versions in the repository.
> (I still haven't worked out how to do this in Tortoise).
> - compare copy on my hard disk to repository HEAD.
> - check in, check out, lock, unlock.
> - merge capability is optional (we never use it, don't trust it).
> 
> I basically want something that pops up two window panes, one showing
> the repository, one showing my hard drive.
> 

For Tortoise, all these are done using the "tortoise svn" menu in 
explorer.  To check out a repository (or a directory within the 
repository) into a folder, you use "svn checkout" from the menu.  Once 
you have a checked out folder, commits, updates, add, rename, delete, 
etc., are all on the menu.

For another client, you could try <http://rapidsvn.tigris.org/>;.  Also 
look at <http://subversion.tigris.org/links.html#clients>;

On Jun 30, 10:37=A0am, David Brown <da...@westcontrol.removethisbit.com>
wrote:

> > absolutely nothing works the way you'd expect. Is there a simple-to-
> > use Win32 SVN client that does NOT have shell integration, and that
>
> For Tortoise, all these are done using the "tortoise svn" menu in
> explorer. =A0To check out a repository (or a directory within the

I do understand that, but nothing in Tortoise seems to work the way
I'd expect. Files updated by another team sometimes show up as
modified, sometimes not. I can hit refresh and still it shows with a
green checkmark. I can right-click the folder and update all, and it
doesn't change the files on my hard drive. Only when I manually go to
each file can I get the latest version. But this doesn't always
happen; it's random.

I still haven't worked out how to compare two versions in the
repository.

It all seems to center around the fact that Tortoise relies on shell
integration and does all sorts of cutesy tricks. Using my RCS is a
modal operation for me anyway, I'd much rather have something that's a
standalone app.

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 06:52:45 -0700 (PDT), larwe <z...@gmail.com> wrote:

>At work we're migrating from Source"Safe" to SVN. There is a strong
>focus on GUI-based tools for this, and the dev environment is Windows-
>only.

http://www.visualsvn.com/ is a good SCC provider for Visual Studio.

AnkhSVN 1.x is not a real SCC provider, but a hack. AnkhSVN 2.0 is a real
SCC provider but still in development.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Frank-Christian Krügel

On 2008-06-30, larwe <z...@gmail.com> wrote:

> At work we're migrating from Source"Safe" to SVN. There is a
> strong focus on GUI-based tools for this, and the dev
> environment is Windows- only.
>
> I'm currently using TortoiseSVN which looks very pretty but is
> excruciating, frustrating and confusing in the extreme to use;
> absolutely nothing works the way you'd expect. Is there a
> simple-to- use Win32 SVN client that does NOT have shell
> integration, and that can:
> [...]

Meld and SmartSVN is the only decent GUI SVN clients I've found
(I've tried at least a half-dozen).  Meld is strictly for
managing a working copy and doesn't browse repositories.  It's
a GTK app so in theory it could run under Windows, but I
wouldn't bet any money on it.

SmartSVN does what you're asking for (AFAICT).

Don't bother trying RapidSVN.  I've tried it repeatedly during
the last couple years and it's still pre-alpha.  It crashes
constantly, it locks up, when browsing a repository it
mysteriously omits large chunks of files, it fails with
mysterious errors when trying to fetch/view/compare certain
files that SmartSVN has no trouble with, and so on.  All in
all, I've found it to be useless for day-to-day work.

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"larwe" <z...@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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On Jun 30, 10:37 am, David Brown <da...@westcontrol.removethisbit.com>
wrote:

> > absolutely nothing works the way you'd expect. Is there a simple-to-
> > use Win32 SVN client that does NOT have shell integration, and that
>
> For Tortoise, all these are done using the "tortoise svn" menu in
> explorer. To check out a repository (or a directory within the

I do understand that, but nothing in Tortoise seems to work the way
I'd expect. Files updated by another team sometimes show up as
modified, sometimes not. I can hit refresh and still it shows with a
green checkmark. I can right-click the folder and update all, and it
doesn't change the files on my hard drive. Only when I manually go to
each file can I get the latest version. But this doesn't always
happen; it's random.

I still haven't worked out how to compare two versions in the
repository.

It all seems to center around the fact that Tortoise relies on shell
integration and does all sorts of cutesy tricks. Using my RCS is a
modal operation for me anyway, I'd much rather have something that's a
standalone app.
---
I have similar complaints with Tortoise, but some of the issues are 
reversed.  I have folders that are up to date, but show as modified and will 
not change.  Attempting a fresh commit says the db is up to date.

RapidSVN seems to have potential, but seems to be taking a long time to a 
"release" version.

Scott 

larwe <z...@gmail.com> wrote:
> - look at the repository and compare two versions in the repository.
> (I still haven't worked out how to do this in Tortoise).
> - compare copy on my hard disk to repository HEAD.
> - check in, check out, lock, unlock.
> - merge capability is optional (we never use it, don't trust it).

Try TkSVN (using ActiveTCL from ActiveState).

-p
-- 
"Unix is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are."
 - Anonymous
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On Jun 30, 4:52=A0pm, larwe <zwsdot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 30, 10:37=A0am, David Brown <da...@westcontrol.removethisbit.com>
> wrote:
>
> > > absolutely nothing works the way you'd expect. Is there a simple-to-
> > > use Win32 SVN client that does NOT have shell integration, and that
>
> > For Tortoise, all these are done using the "tortoise svn" menu in
> > explorer. =A0To check out a repository (or a directory within the
>
> I do understand that, but nothing in Tortoise seems to work the way
> I'd expect. Files updated by another team sometimes show up as
> modified, sometimes not. I can hit refresh and still it shows with a
> green checkmark. I can right-click the folder and update all, and it
> doesn't change the files on my hard drive. Only when I manually go to
> each file can I get the latest version. But this doesn't always
> happen; it's random.
>

We have been using TortoiseSVN for about 18 months. From my point of
view it is great an actually works  exactly as expected. We're using
it with XP. Also we are using the FSFS option on SVN.

> I still haven't worked out how to compare two versions in the
> repository.

RightClick->ShowLog then on the log right click on the file and select
ShowDifferences

>
> It all seems to center around the fact that Tortoise relies on shell
> integration and does all sorts of cutesy tricks. Using my RCS is a
> modal operation for me anyway, I'd much rather have something that's a
> standalone app.

Command line?

Rocky

>We have been using TortoiseSVN for about 18 months. From my point of
>view it is great an actually works  exactly as expected. We're using
>it with XP. Also we are using the FSFS option on SVN.

For what its worth - we have been using TortoiseSVN for yonks and are really 
pleased with it - excellent.  Moved from ClearCase and have not looked back 
(except to gloat).



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On 2008-06-30, FreeRTOS.org <n...@given.com> wrote:

>>We have been using TortoiseSVN for about 18 months. From my
>>point of view it is great an actually works exactly as
>>expected. We're using it with XP. Also we are using the FSFS
>>option on SVN.
>
> For what its worth - we have been using TortoiseSVN for yonks
> and are really pleased with it - excellent.  Moved from
> ClearCase and have not looked back (except to gloat).

Ah well, compared to ClearCase, clay tablets and knotted
strings would be brilliant. 

1/2 ;)

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