Hi,

This is more a marking question but I am wondering if there is somewhere 
an "official" figure that tells how many of the produced microprocessors 
are employed in embedded devices and how many in desktop machines?

Thanks,
Mike

Op Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:14:06 +0100 schreef Mike Fletcher  
<M...@hotmail.com>:
> Hi,
>
> This is more a marking question but I am wondering if there is somewhere  
> an "official" figure that tells how many of the produced microprocessors  
> are employed in embedded devices and how many in desktop machines?

The border between these categories is a bit vague.  I can imagine desktop  
machines with embedded microprocessors and embedded devices that are part  
of desktop PCs.


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On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:14:06 +0000, Mike Fletcher
<M...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>This is more a marking question but I am wondering if there is somewhere 
>an "official" figure that tells how many of the produced microprocessors 
>are employed in embedded devices and how many in desktop machines?


Not that I have real figures, but AFAIK a BMW 7 has more then 20 MCUs.
Take all the other car manufactures gives already a huge number of
MCU. 
The embedded CPU market out-numbers the desktop (i.e. x86) market by
far (in quantities).
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Mike,

In desktop machines alone there are easily a half dozen or more
embedded processors.

Keyboards both ends

Mouse

power management

If it is a laptop many rechargeable batteries have one

Disk drives 1 -3

High  end cars 70-100 embedded processors

Many cars have desktop sized processors as part of the solution
Engine controllers (PowerPC's)
Ford Handsfree controllers and radio voice operated functions run a form of  Windows CE

In terms of processors volume desktops are a small volume less than 1% of the total

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Mike Fletcher wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This is more a marking question but I am wondering if there is somewhere
> an "official" figure that tells how many of the produced microprocessors
> are employed in embedded devices and how many in desktop machines?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike

Mike Fletcher wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> This is more a marking question but I am wondering if there is somewhere 
> an "official" figure that tells how many of the produced microprocessors 
> are employed in embedded devices and how many in desktop machines?
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike

I read somewhere that total volume in 2008 was over 10 billion embedded 
processors of all types, including fpga's.

There's at least one in the keyboard of a desktop machine, at least one 
in the hard drive and maybe one or two in other peripherals. Total 
volume in that segment probably in the millions, not billions though.

Google for more of a breakdown...

Regards,

Chris

Mike Fletcher wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> This is more a marking question but I am wondering if there is somewhere 

"marking" sb "marketing"?

> an "official" figure that tells how many of the produced microprocessors 
> are employed in embedded devices and how many in desktop machines?

I usually figure 100:1 (embedded:desktop).  But, I treat the processors
that are in desktop machines that are not *the* "main CPU" to also be
"embedded processors".  E.g., the one in my mouse, keyboard, display,
CD-ROM/DVD, on my SCSI HBA's, etc.

If you want a better number, look at sales figures for "all processors"
and subtract the 32/64 bit processors to give you a *rough* figure
for embedded processors.  (DataQuest is your friend)  While some
32/64 bit processors are used in embedded applications, I think
you'll be able to gauge the approximate magnitude of the "other"
processor sales compared to the desktop (32/64) sales and be
*stunned* at the difference!

"Mike Fletcher" <M...@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:hcs26i$him$1...@aioe.org...
> Hi,
>
> This is more a marking question but I am wondering if there is somewhere 
> an "official" figure that tells how many of the produced microprocessors 
> are employed in embedded devices and how many in desktop machines?

One of the problems here is that a large percentage of processors in 
embedded products aren't manufactured processors that you can go and buy. 
They are simply a processor mask placed within a SoC which is designed to 
meet the needs of one specific product.

tim

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:43:25 +0100, "Boudewijn Dijkstra"
<s...@indes.com> wrote:

>Op Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:14:06 +0100 schreef Mike Fletcher  
><M...@hotmail.com>:
>> Hi,
>>
>> This is more a marking question but I am wondering if there is somewhere  
>> an "official" figure that tells how many of the produced microprocessors  
>> are employed in embedded devices and how many in desktop machines?
>
>The border between these categories is a bit vague.  I can imagine desktop  
>machines with embedded microprocessors and embedded devices that are part  
>of desktop PCs.

The problem is how to define an embedded system.

It could be anything from a greetings card playing a melody when
opened to several 19 inch racks full of x86 multiprocessor boards
running a dedicated program without a user interface. 

Paul

Mike Fletcher wrote:

> This is more a marking question but I am wondering if there is somewhere 
> an "official" figure that tells how many of the produced microprocessors 
> are employed in embedded devices and how many in desktop machines?

To a very good approximation, _all_ microprocessors are in embedded, 
period.  Desktop CPUs are but a barely noticeable fluctuation to the 
overall numbers.