Hi,
I'm new to the group and have a question regarding which embedded
platform to start out on. I have a project that involves:
1. Sampling (once every 5 minutes) several analog data channels
over the course of 6 months months
2. Logging the values with a time stamp
3. Posting the data (preferably in graphical format) to a web
pages.

Before considering Rabbit and Netburner (just learning ANSI C/C++) I
was intending to use a Parallax Basic Stamp BS2P40 (using PBASIC)
and Selmaware's Stamp Plot Pro. I am not a fulltime programmer by
any strech of the imagination but need a quick solution to implement
and don't mind dropping the $300 for the Rabbit Dev Kit (vs. $99 for
the Netburner) if it will save me hours of time and headache. I
read a previous post on this subject but was a bit beyond what I
need or understand at this point.

Any input welcome.

Regards,
Chris



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there is nothing better than netburner, its the quickest way to get
something on the net. the learning curve is much less with NB, not to
mention to flash the board is lighting fast.

--- In r...@yahoogroups.com, "cdundorf" wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I'm new to the group and have a question regarding which embedded
> platform to start out on. I have a project that involves:
> 1. Sampling (once every 5 minutes) several analog data channels
> over the course of 6 months months
> 2. Logging the values with a time stamp
> 3. Posting the data (preferably in graphical format) to a web
> pages.
>
> Before considering Rabbit and Netburner (just learning ANSI C/C++)
I
> was intending to use a Parallax Basic Stamp BS2P40 (using PBASIC)
> and Selmaware's Stamp Plot Pro. I am not a fulltime programmer by
> any strech of the imagination but need a quick solution to
implement
> and don't mind dropping the $300 for the Rabbit Dev Kit (vs. $99
for
> the Netburner) if it will save me hours of time and headache. I
> read a previous post on this subject but was a bit beyond what I
> need or understand at this point.
>
> Any input welcome.
>
> Regards,
> Chris
>



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Don't want to hog the stage on this. However, i have had quite a few
Rabbit kits in my time. i have also had quite a few NB (Net Burner)
kits. so i can say with confidence this.

If your looking to play around get a feel for networking and twinkle
some LEDs and turn a fan on or two then get a rabbit.

If your serious about networking and want a product that is very user
friendly, C/C++ compatible and not this goofy C that rabbit has then
NB is the tool of choice. Not to mention the software is FREE! did i
mention its FREE??

Bottom line is this, for less money you can get a 32-bit ColdFire
5270 processor with integrated 10/100 Ethernet. Running at 141
Dhrystone 2.1 MIPS at 147.5MHz!!!! all this for $79! you can get
close to that with rabbit.

So you can screw around with rabbits goofy C variables and what not,
have a slow processor with no Address and Data bus on the headers for
connecting real external devices, like full color touch screen LCD's
and what not. Oh, i almost forgot, you can also screw around with
that ridiculous serial download cable, and wait 10-20 second per
download. Hey, i got things to do i don't want to change a delay from
15ms to 18ms and then compile and then wait 20 seconds for it to
download! who thought of that silly download cable anyway, some old
fart back in the DOS days ??? or you can get NB and get with the
program and download you code via Ethernet in seconds!!!

I don't want to slam Rabbit, but seriously Rabbit is low level stuff.
until they get with the program and up to date and lower their
ridiculous prices they are going to be a dead rabbit.

Hell, Zilog's F91 mini module ($49) kicks the crap out of rabbit too.
OH, and did i mention Zilogs software is FREE to ??

I like the ZIlog module, the only reason i didn't use them is that
they did not come in extended temp. at least they have a USB download
cable.

I hope your listening Rabbit... Take note, your not cutting edge
anymore. your losing steam fast too. better cut them dam prices way
down and get serious about the downloading, ever think of JTAG ?

sorry, i had to let them know its time to re-think the game plan.

in closing, let me seriously just say this. The NB solution is
cheaper you can get the complete kit for $99, that includes
everything. you will be up and running in no time at all. out of all
the kits i have ever used in my life NB is the only one who has made
it ultra simple so that anyone can use it. If your even thinking
about who to go with forget rabbit and spend you money on NB.

--- In r...@yahoogroups.com, "Christopher Dundorf"
wrote:
>
> That's quite an endorsement. Thanks.
> Do others have comments?
>
> Chris
> -----Original Message-----
> From: r...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:rabbit-
s...@yahoogroups.com]On
> Behalf Of seulaterbuddy
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 7:13 AM
> To: r...@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [rabbit-semi] Re: Newbie Rabbit vs Netburner question...
> there is nothing better than netburner, its the quickest way to
get
> something on the net. the learning curve is much less with NB,
not to
> mention to flash the board is lighting fast.
>
> --- In r...@yahoogroups.com, "cdundorf" wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > I'm new to the group and have a question regarding which
embedded
> > platform to start out on. I have a project that involves:
> > 1. Sampling (once every 5 minutes) several analog data channels
> > over the course of 6 months months
> > 2. Logging the values with a time stamp
> > 3. Posting the data (preferably in graphical format) to a web
> > pages.
> >
> > Before considering Rabbit and Netburner (just learning ANSI
C/C++)
> I
> > was intending to use a Parallax Basic Stamp BS2P40 (using
PBASIC)
> > and Selmaware's Stamp Plot Pro. I am not a fulltime programmer
by
> > any strech of the imagination but need a quick solution to
> implement
> > and don't mind dropping the $300 for the Rabbit Dev Kit (vs. $99
> for
> > the Netburner) if it will save me hours of time and headache. I
> > read a previous post on this subject but was a bit beyond what I
> > need or understand at this point.
> >
> > Any input welcome.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Chris
> >
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> 6:50 PM
>



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That's quite an endorsement. Thanks.
Do others have comments?

Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: r...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:r...@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of seulaterbuddy
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 7:13 AM
To: r...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [rabbit-semi] Re: Newbie Rabbit vs Netburner question...
there is nothing better than netburner, its the quickest way to get
something on the net. the learning curve is much less with NB, not to
mention to flash the board is lighting fast.

--- In r...@yahoogroups.com, "cdundorf" wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I'm new to the group and have a question regarding which embedded
> platform to start out on. I have a project that involves:
> 1. Sampling (once every 5 minutes) several analog data channels
> over the course of 6 months months
> 2. Logging the values with a time stamp
> 3. Posting the data (preferably in graphical format) to a web
> pages.
>
> Before considering Rabbit and Netburner (just learning ANSI C/C++)
I
> was intending to use a Parallax Basic Stamp BS2P40 (using PBASIC)
> and Selmaware's Stamp Plot Pro. I am not a fulltime programmer by
> any strech of the imagination but need a quick solution to
implement
> and don't mind dropping the $300 for the Rabbit Dev Kit (vs. $99
for
> the Netburner) if it will save me hours of time and headache. I
> read a previous post on this subject but was a bit beyond what I
> need or understand at this point.
>
> Any input welcome.
>
> Regards,
> Chris
>

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6:50 PM



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OK you seem to know your stuff and I appreciate your no holds barred
approach. Some organizations need to pay close attention to the competition
and more importantly the suggestions of their customers.

As previously stated I'm a newbie however I've used parallax stamps for
several years writing PBASIC code creating basic circuits, etc, have an
engineering background and am learning ANSI C now (just started recently in
fact). If I purchase a NB dev kit to build a system with the intention of:

1. reading 6 analog channels (.5 to 4.5 volt each) once per 10mins,
2. log the values to a file (CSV ok), and
3. post to web page

How long would you expect it to take someone like me. Worst case, best
case, typical case? Please take a shot...

Thanks again,
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: r...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:r...@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of seulaterbuddy
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:11 PM
To: r...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [rabbit-semi] Re: Newbie Rabbit vs Netburner question...
Don't want to hog the stage on this. However, i have had quite a few
Rabbit kits in my time. i have also had quite a few NB (Net Burner)
kits. so i can say with confidence this.

If your looking to play around get a feel for networking and twinkle
some LEDs and turn a fan on or two then get a rabbit.

If your serious about networking and want a product that is very user
friendly, C/C++ compatible and not this goofy C that rabbit has then
NB is the tool of choice. Not to mention the software is FREE! did i
mention its FREE??

Bottom line is this, for less money you can get a 32-bit ColdFire
5270 processor with integrated 10/100 Ethernet. Running at 141
Dhrystone 2.1 MIPS at 147.5MHz!!!! all this for $79! you can get
close to that with rabbit.

So you can screw around with rabbits goofy C variables and what not,
have a slow processor with no Address and Data bus on the headers for
connecting real external devices, like full color touch screen LCD's
and what not. Oh, i almost forgot, you can also screw around with
that ridiculous serial download cable, and wait 10-20 second per
download. Hey, i got things to do i don't want to change a delay from
15ms to 18ms and then compile and then wait 20 seconds for it to
download! who thought of that silly download cable anyway, some old
fart back in the DOS days ??? or you can get NB and get with the
program and download you code via Ethernet in seconds!!!

I don't want to slam Rabbit, but seriously Rabbit is low level stuff.
until they get with the program and up to date and lower their
ridiculous prices they are going to be a dead rabbit.

Hell, Zilog's F91 mini module ($49) kicks the crap out of rabbit too.
OH, and did i mention Zilogs software is FREE to ??

I like the ZIlog module, the only reason i didn't use them is that
they did not come in extended temp. at least they have a USB download
cable.

I hope your listening Rabbit... Take note, your not cutting edge
anymore. your losing steam fast too. better cut them dam prices way
down and get serious about the downloading, ever think of JTAG ?

sorry, i had to let them know its time to re-think the game plan.

in closing, let me seriously just say this. The NB solution is
cheaper you can get the complete kit for $99, that includes
everything. you will be up and running in no time at all. out of all
the kits i have ever used in my life NB is the only one who has made
it ultra simple so that anyone can use it. If your even thinking
about who to go with forget rabbit and spend you money on NB.

--- In r...@yahoogroups.com, "Christopher Dundorf"
wrote:
>
> That's quite an endorsement. Thanks.
> Do others have comments?
>
> Chris
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: r...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:rabbit-
s...@yahoogroups.com]On
> Behalf Of seulaterbuddy
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 7:13 AM
> To: r...@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [rabbit-semi] Re: Newbie Rabbit vs Netburner question...
>
>
> there is nothing better than netburner, its the quickest way to
get
> something on the net. the learning curve is much less with NB,
not to
> mention to flash the board is lighting fast.
>
> --- In r...@yahoogroups.com, "cdundorf" wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > I'm new to the group and have a question regarding which
embedded
> > platform to start out on. I have a project that involves:
> > 1. Sampling (once every 5 minutes) several analog data channels
> > over the course of 6 months months
> > 2. Logging the values with a time stamp
> > 3. Posting the data (preferably in graphical format) to a web
> > pages.
> >
> > Before considering Rabbit and Netburner (just learning ANSI
C/C++)
> I
> > was intending to use a Parallax Basic Stamp BS2P40 (using
PBASIC)
> > and Selmaware's Stamp Plot Pro. I am not a fulltime programmer
by
> > any strech of the imagination but need a quick solution to
> implement
> > and don't mind dropping the $300 for the Rabbit Dev Kit (vs. $99
> for
> > the Netburner) if it will save me hours of time and headache. I
> > read a previous post on this subject but was a bit beyond what I
> > need or understand at this point.
> >
> > Any input welcome.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Chris
> >
>
>
>
>
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.4/1309 - Release Date:
3/3/2008
> 6:50 PM
>

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Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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6:50 PM



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For this purpose, you can even go to a coldfire
(MCF52233 or 52235) with ethernet on chip. Freescale
has a free sample firmware that gives you a ready to
use simple http server. IMHO, the codewarrior is one
of the best IDE´s available, and have really usefull
things like straight go to definition of variables,
functions, defines, whatever. Not to mention it´s
flashing and debug interface (BDM). It´s 32 bits and
has a built in 12 bits AD (8 channels with 1.125 us
minimum time conversion). There´s nothing better than
coldfire for networking, and the solution is one
single chip.

Regards

--- Christopher Dundorf
escreveu:

> OK you seem to know your stuff and I appreciate your
> no holds barred
> approach. Some organizations need to pay close
> attention to the competition
> and more importantly the suggestions of their
> customers.
>
> As previously stated I'm a newbie however I've used
> parallax stamps for
> several years writing PBASIC code creating basic
> circuits, etc, have an
> engineering background and am learning ANSI C now
> (just started recently in
> fact). If I purchase a NB dev kit to build a system
> with the intention of:
>
> 1. reading 6 analog channels (.5 to 4.5 volt each)
> once per 10mins,
> 2. log the values to a file (CSV ok), and
> 3. post to web page
>
> How long would you expect it to take someone like
> me. Worst case, best
> case, typical case? Please take a shot...
>
> Thanks again,
> Chris
> -----Original Message-----
> From: r...@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:r...@yahoogroups.com]On
> Behalf Of seulaterbuddy
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:11 PM
> To: r...@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [rabbit-semi] Re: Newbie Rabbit vs
> Netburner question...
> Don't want to hog the stage on this. However, i
> have had quite a few
> Rabbit kits in my time. i have also had quite a
> few NB (Net Burner)
> kits. so i can say with confidence this.
>
> If your looking to play around get a feel for
> networking and twinkle
> some LEDs and turn a fan on or two then get a
> rabbit.
>
> If your serious about networking and want a
> product that is very user
> friendly, C/C++ compatible and not this goofy C
> that rabbit has then
> NB is the tool of choice. Not to mention the
> software is FREE! did i
> mention its FREE??
>
> Bottom line is this, for less money you can get a
> 32-bit ColdFire
> 5270 processor with integrated 10/100 Ethernet.
> Running at 141
> Dhrystone 2.1 MIPS at 147.5MHz!!!! all this for
> $79! you can get
> close to that with rabbit.
>
> So you can screw around with rabbits goofy C
> variables and what not,
> have a slow processor with no Address and Data bus
> on the headers for
> connecting real external devices, like full color
> touch screen LCD's
> and what not. Oh, i almost forgot, you can also
> screw around with
> that ridiculous serial download cable, and wait
> 10-20 second per
> download. Hey, i got things to do i don't want to
> change a delay from
> 15ms to 18ms and then compile and then wait 20
> seconds for it to
> download! who thought of that silly download cable
> anyway, some old
> fart back in the DOS days ??? or you can get NB
> and get with the
> program and download you code via Ethernet in
> seconds!!!
>
> I don't want to slam Rabbit, but seriously Rabbit
> is low level stuff.
> until they get with the program and up to date and
> lower their
> ridiculous prices they are going to be a dead
> rabbit.
>
> Hell, Zilog's F91 mini module ($49) kicks the crap
> out of rabbit too.
> OH, and did i mention Zilogs software is FREE to
> ??
>
> I like the ZIlog module, the only reason i didn't
> use them is that
> they did not come in extended temp. at least they
> have a USB download
> cable.
>
> I hope your listening Rabbit... Take note, your
> not cutting edge
> anymore. your losing steam fast too. better cut
> them dam prices way
> down and get serious about the downloading, ever
> think of JTAG ?
>
> sorry, i had to let them know its time to re-think
> the game plan.
>
> in closing, let me seriously just say this. The NB
> solution is
> cheaper you can get the complete kit for $99, that
> includes
> everything. you will be up and running in no time
> at all. out of all
> the kits i have ever used in my life NB is the
> only one who has made
> it ultra simple so that anyone can use it. If your
> even thinking
> about who to go with forget rabbit and spend you
> money on NB.
>
> --- In r...@yahoogroups.com, "Christopher
> Dundorf"
> wrote:
> >
> > That's quite an endorsement. Thanks.
> > Do others have comments?
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: r...@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:rabbit-
> s...@yahoogroups.com]On
> > Behalf Of seulaterbuddy
> > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 7:13 AM
> > To: r...@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [rabbit-semi] Re: Newbie Rabbit vs
> Netburner question...
> >
> >
> > there is nothing better than netburner, its the
> quickest way to
> get
> > something on the net. the learning curve is much
> less with NB,
> not to
> > mention to flash the board is lighting fast.
> >
> > --- In r...@yahoogroups.com, "cdundorf"
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > > I'm new to the group and have a question
> regarding which
> embedded
> > > platform to start out on. I have a project
> that involves:
> > > 1. Sampling (once every 5 minutes) several
> analog data channels
> > > over the course of 6 months months
> > > 2. Logging the values with a time stamp
> > > 3. Posting the data (preferably in graphical
> format) to a web
> > > pages.
> > >
> > > Before considering Rabbit and Netburner (just
> learning ANSI
> C/C++)
> > I
> > > was intending to use a Parallax Basic Stamp
> BS2P40 (using
> PBASIC)
> > > and Selmaware's Stamp Plot Pro. I am not a
> fulltime programmer
> by
> > > any strech of the imagination but need a quick
> solution to
> > implement
> > > and don't mind dropping the $300 for the
> Rabbit Dev Kit (vs. $99
> > for
> > > the Netburner) if it will save me hours of
> time and headache. I
> > > read a previous post on this subject but was a
> bit beyond what I
> > > need or understand at this point.
> > >
> > > Any input welcome.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Chris
> > >
> >
> === message truncated ===

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Mark, just want to correct you one one thing, you said "Netburner
does offer ANSI C/C++". i just want to point out that their tools
are "Fully ANSI compliant C/C++ compiler and linker." as per their
web site.

True, they do draw more power, so if power is a big concern then the
choice is already made.

I would hate to have someone like Chris to start out learning C with
rabbits Dynamic C. By the time has got it all together and then moves
to a real ANSI compliant system, or tries to even port his code over
he will be pulling his hair out wondering why his code is broken.
It's best if he learns ANSI compliant C first.

I was there when Rabbit was still a bunny. The only reason why i am
even in this forum is because i am playing with their RCM4400 Wi-Fi
module. however in Q2 NB will be releasing theirs and it will even be
cheaper than Rabbits. then i will say my final goodbyes to Rabbit.
I will tell you guys one other thing. Some of you mentioned that your
from Basic. Then you should check out TIBBO.com

I bought a EM1000 kit from Tibbo and it is AWESOME. if you need lower
cost and dont need so much horse power then check out the EM1000
module: http://www.tibbo.com/em1000.php
getting on the net is ULTRA SIMPLE and this also supports uploading
your code via Ethernet. I also recommend this device as well. they
are too going to be coming out with a Wi-Fi module this spring as
well.

Tibbo is going to be BIG hit, so stay tuned to them. Between NB and
Tibbo i believe rabbits sales will be getting smaller and smaller.

Rabbit was taken over by the money hungry company DIGI. DIGI has yet
to learn in this life that when you mark something up to high to
chase away your customers. when i saw that Rabbit was bought by them
i knew the end or the Rabbit is near. DIGI as a company is terrible,
the people there dont have ANY clue how to run a business.

Take the RCM4400 WiFi module for instance. they sell a WiFI module
but only have 2 examples, and they are how to twinkle the on board
leds (ans not even through a web page). HELLO!!! if this is a WiFi
module i want WiFi examples. How stupid is that ?
Bottom line is this, if you need a 10/100 network capable device with
large amounts of ram & flash to store your web page, and lost of
speed to do things in a uCOS environment then NB it your boy. Now
that NB has lowed their cost to $79 you dont even need thoes as
reasons anymore. i just dont see why anyone would use Rabbit. other
than the power issue of course. why buy a pinto for $100 when you can
get a Cadillac for $79 ??

If you comfortable with basic, and not quite ready to move to C then
i would suggest TIBBO.com their tools and hardware is very nice. they
are my second choice. the only reason they are not my first is
because i have been doing C for so many years now, for me to try out
basic is well kinda rough sometimes. Not to mention most of my stuff
i make is very high speed so i need the NB.
Chris, to answer your question. I cannot say how long it will take
you as i dont know how much of a quick learner your are. the module i
specified does not have A/D on-board just as Mark had mentioned. when
i need A/D i just slap on a $2.12 Microchip 13bit 8 pin a/d converter
(MCP3301) via SPI bus. its simple to connect, cheap & very accurate.
NB has source code examples for the SPI bus all ready to go. However
sine you come from basic, you might like to think about Tibbo first.
check them out.

Ask me what you will, i will be truthful with you about it.

Dudes, i know the some of your are partial to Rabbit and i dont want
to pick on your Rabbit pride. I have been around the block many times
and i wish there was someone like me around in the forums that was
not afraid to step on some toes and point me into a different
direction. the money i spend on the several Rabbit kits was a total
waste. the speed is not there and when i have to port over me ANSI C
code to rabbit i am always have to change it to work within Dynamic C.

--- In r...@yahoogroups.com, "mehiegl" wrote:
>
> Your post made me curious since I was not familiar with Netburner.
They
> certainly make interesting products. I am a rabbit user, not a big
fan,
> but they serve a purpose. Either is an upgrade over the BASIC Stamp
for
> what you want.
>
> Make sure you compare apples to apples when you make the choice.
> Certainly, Netburner offers superior performance, but there are a
> number of trade-offs to consider.
>
> If you are looking for an out of the box solution, the $99
Netburner
> won't give you any analog inputs. The one option that gives analog
> inputs and brings them out to interface is $299. With Rabbit, you
need
> to go to the 4200 core to get on-board analog inputs and ethernet.
The
> Netburners with analog inputs are only 10-bit, while the Rabbits
with
> analog inputs offer 12 bits, and can be used differentially or
single
> ended. If you are making your own board you have a lot more options.
>
> The Netburner draws significantly more power than the fastest
rabbit
> products, if power is a concern.
>
> Dynamic C is an odd bastardization of C, but Softools makes an ANSI
C
> compiler. Netburner does offer ANSI C/C++
>
> Just a few more things to think about.
>
> Mark
>



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Perhaps it was a poor choice of words on my part but I was trying to
point out the ANSI C/C++ tools as an advantage of using Netburner. I
wouldn't recommend that someone just learning C start with DC either.

If I had the time and budget, I would port our existing products to
Softools ANSI C, but that's not in the cards right now. Also my
company has started down the ARM path for one and possibly several
new product designs. NXP makes some nicely featured uC's based on
the ARM core and there are some nice C/C++ tools for ARM too.
Mark
--- In r...@yahoogroups.com, "seulaterbuddy"
wrote:
>
> Mark, just want to correct you one one thing, you said "Netburner
> does offer ANSI C/C++". i just want to point out that their tools
> are "Fully ANSI compliant C/C++ compiler and linker." as per their
> web site.
>
> True, they do draw more power, so if power is a big concern then
the
> choice is already made.
>
> I would hate to have someone like Chris to start out learning C
with
> rabbits Dynamic C. By the time has got it all together and then
moves
> to a real ANSI compliant system, or tries to even port his code
over
> he will be pulling his hair out wondering why his code is broken.
> It's best if he learns ANSI compliant C first.
>
> I was there when Rabbit was still a bunny. The only reason why i am
> even in this forum is because i am playing with their RCM4400 Wi-Fi
> module. however in Q2 NB will be releasing theirs and it will even
be
> cheaper than Rabbits. then i will say my final goodbyes to Rabbit.
> I will tell you guys one other thing. Some of you mentioned that
your
> from Basic. Then you should check out TIBBO.com
>
> I bought a EM1000 kit from Tibbo and it is AWESOME. if you need
lower
> cost and dont need so much horse power then check out the EM1000
> module: http://www.tibbo.com/em1000.php
> getting on the net is ULTRA SIMPLE and this also supports uploading
> your code via Ethernet. I also recommend this device as well. they
> are too going to be coming out with a Wi-Fi module this spring as
> well.
>
> Tibbo is going to be BIG hit, so stay tuned to them. Between NB and
> Tibbo i believe rabbits sales will be getting smaller and smaller.
>
> Rabbit was taken over by the money hungry company DIGI. DIGI has
yet
> to learn in this life that when you mark something up to high to
> chase away your customers. when i saw that Rabbit was bought by
them
> i knew the end or the Rabbit is near. DIGI as a company is
terrible,
> the people there dont have ANY clue how to run a business.
>
> Take the RCM4400 WiFi module for instance. they sell a WiFI module
> but only have 2 examples, and they are how to twinkle the on board
> leds (ans not even through a web page). HELLO!!! if this is a WiFi
> module i want WiFi examples. How stupid is that ?
> Bottom line is this, if you need a 10/100 network capable device
with
> large amounts of ram & flash to store your web page, and lost of
> speed to do things in a uCOS environment then NB it your boy. Now
> that NB has lowed their cost to $79 you dont even need thoes as
> reasons anymore. i just dont see why anyone would use Rabbit. other
> than the power issue of course. why buy a pinto for $100 when you
can
> get a Cadillac for $79 ??
>
> If you comfortable with basic, and not quite ready to move to C
then
> i would suggest TIBBO.com their tools and hardware is very nice.
they
> are my second choice. the only reason they are not my first is
> because i have been doing C for so many years now, for me to try
out
> basic is well kinda rough sometimes. Not to mention most of my
stuff
> i make is very high speed so i need the NB.
> Chris, to answer your question. I cannot say how long it will take
> you as i dont know how much of a quick learner your are. the module
i
> specified does not have A/D on-board just as Mark had mentioned.
when
> i need A/D i just slap on a $2.12 Microchip 13bit 8 pin a/d
converter
> (MCP3301) via SPI bus. its simple to connect, cheap & very
accurate.
> NB has source code examples for the SPI bus all ready to go.
However
> sine you come from basic, you might like to think about Tibbo
first.
> check them out.
>
> Ask me what you will, i will be truthful with you about it.
>
> Dudes, i know the some of your are partial to Rabbit and i dont
want
> to pick on your Rabbit pride. I have been around the block many
times
> and i wish there was someone like me around in the forums that was
> not afraid to step on some toes and point me into a different
> direction. the money i spend on the several Rabbit kits was a total
> waste. the speed is not there and when i have to port over me ANSI
C
> code to rabbit i am always have to change it to work within Dynamic
C.
> --- In r...@yahoogroups.com, "mehiegl" wrote:
> >
> > Your post made me curious since I was not familiar with
Netburner.
> They
> > certainly make interesting products. I am a rabbit user, not a
big
> fan,
> > but they serve a purpose. Either is an upgrade over the BASIC
Stamp
> for
> > what you want.
> >
> > Make sure you compare apples to apples when you make the choice.
> > Certainly, Netburner offers superior performance, but there are a
> > number of trade-offs to consider.
> >
> > If you are looking for an out of the box solution, the $99
> Netburner
> > won't give you any analog inputs. The one option that gives
analog
> > inputs and brings them out to interface is $299. With Rabbit, you
> need
> > to go to the 4200 core to get on-board analog inputs and
ethernet.
> The
> > Netburners with analog inputs are only 10-bit, while the Rabbits
> with
> > analog inputs offer 12 bits, and can be used differentially or
> single
> > ended. If you are making your own board you have a lot more
options.
> >
> > The Netburner draws significantly more power than the fastest
> rabbit
> > products, if power is a concern.
> >
> > Dynamic C is an odd bastardization of C, but Softools makes an
ANSI
> C
> > compiler. Netburner does offer ANSI C/C++
> >
> > Just a few more things to think about.
> >
> > Mark
>



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Mark, i dont mean to keep throwing my 2 cents in, however if you have
not already done so take a look at Rowley for the ARM development

http://www.rowley.co.uk/arm/index.htm

i have tried them all and for whats its worth this one far excedded
my expectations. it just flat out works!

also, take a look here and here for some nice ARM kits.

http://www.olimex.com/dev/index.html, and click on development boards.

and

http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/categories.php and click on
Development tools.
Good luck with your ARM endeavors.

--- In r...@yahoogroups.com, "mehiegl" wrote:
>
> Perhaps it was a poor choice of words on my part but I was trying
to
> point out the ANSI C/C++ tools as an advantage of using Netburner.
I
> wouldn't recommend that someone just learning C start with DC
either.
>
> If I had the time and budget, I would port our existing products to
> Softools ANSI C, but that's not in the cards right now. Also my
> company has started down the ARM path for one and possibly several
> new product designs. NXP makes some nicely featured uC's based on
> the ARM core and there are some nice C/C++ tools for ARM too.
> Mark
> --- In r...@yahoogroups.com, "seulaterbuddy"
> wrote:
> >
> > Mark, just want to correct you one one thing, you said "Netburner
> > does offer ANSI C/C++". i just want to point out that their tools
> > are "Fully ANSI compliant C/C++ compiler and linker." as per
their
> > web site.
> >
> > True, they do draw more power, so if power is a big concern then
> the
> > choice is already made.
> >
> > I would hate to have someone like Chris to start out learning C
> with
> > rabbits Dynamic C. By the time has got it all together and then
> moves
> > to a real ANSI compliant system, or tries to even port his code
> over
> > he will be pulling his hair out wondering why his code is broken.
> > It's best if he learns ANSI compliant C first.
> >
> > I was there when Rabbit was still a bunny. The only reason why i
am
> > even in this forum is because i am playing with their RCM4400 Wi-
Fi
> > module. however in Q2 NB will be releasing theirs and it will
even
> be
> > cheaper than Rabbits. then i will say my final goodbyes to Rabbit.
> >
> >
> > I will tell you guys one other thing. Some of you mentioned that
> your
> > from Basic. Then you should check out TIBBO.com
> >
> > I bought a EM1000 kit from Tibbo and it is AWESOME. if you need
> lower
> > cost and dont need so much horse power then check out the EM1000
> > module: http://www.tibbo.com/em1000.php
> > getting on the net is ULTRA SIMPLE and this also supports
uploading
> > your code via Ethernet. I also recommend this device as well.
they
> > are too going to be coming out with a Wi-Fi module this spring as
> > well.
> >
> > Tibbo is going to be BIG hit, so stay tuned to them. Between NB
and
> > Tibbo i believe rabbits sales will be getting smaller and smaller.
> >
> > Rabbit was taken over by the money hungry company DIGI. DIGI has
> yet
> > to learn in this life that when you mark something up to high to
> > chase away your customers. when i saw that Rabbit was bought by
> them
> > i knew the end or the Rabbit is near. DIGI as a company is
> terrible,
> > the people there dont have ANY clue how to run a business.
> >
> > Take the RCM4400 WiFi module for instance. they sell a WiFI
module
> > but only have 2 examples, and they are how to twinkle the on
board
> > leds (ans not even through a web page). HELLO!!! if this is a
WiFi
> > module i want WiFi examples. How stupid is that ?
> >
> >
> > Bottom line is this, if you need a 10/100 network capable device
> with
> > large amounts of ram & flash to store your web page, and lost of
> > speed to do things in a uCOS environment then NB it your boy. Now
> > that NB has lowed their cost to $79 you dont even need thoes as
> > reasons anymore. i just dont see why anyone would use Rabbit.
other
> > than the power issue of course. why buy a pinto for $100 when you
> can
> > get a Cadillac for $79 ??
> >
> > If you comfortable with basic, and not quite ready to move to C
> then
> > i would suggest TIBBO.com their tools and hardware is very nice.
> they
> > are my second choice. the only reason they are not my first is
> > because i have been doing C for so many years now, for me to try
> out
> > basic is well kinda rough sometimes. Not to mention most of my
> stuff
> > i make is very high speed so i need the NB.
> >
> >
> > Chris, to answer your question. I cannot say how long it will
take
> > you as i dont know how much of a quick learner your are. the
module
> i
> > specified does not have A/D on-board just as Mark had mentioned.
> when
> > i need A/D i just slap on a $2.12 Microchip 13bit 8 pin a/d
> converter
> > (MCP3301) via SPI bus. its simple to connect, cheap & very
> accurate.
> > NB has source code examples for the SPI bus all ready to go.
> However
> > sine you come from basic, you might like to think about Tibbo
> first.
> > check them out.
> >
> > Ask me what you will, i will be truthful with you about it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dudes, i know the some of your are partial to Rabbit and i dont
> want
> > to pick on your Rabbit pride. I have been around the block many
> times
> > and i wish there was someone like me around in the forums that
was
> > not afraid to step on some toes and point me into a different
> > direction. the money i spend on the several Rabbit kits was a
total
> > waste. the speed is not there and when i have to port over me
ANSI
> C
> > code to rabbit i am always have to change it to work within
Dynamic
> C.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In r...@yahoogroups.com, "mehiegl" wrote:
> > >
> > > Your post made me curious since I was not familiar with
> Netburner.
> > They
> > > certainly make interesting products. I am a rabbit user, not a
> big
> > fan,
> > > but they serve a purpose. Either is an upgrade over the BASIC
> Stamp
> > for
> > > what you want.
> > >
> > > Make sure you compare apples to apples when you make the
choice.
> > > Certainly, Netburner offers superior performance, but there are
a
> > > number of trade-offs to consider.
> > >
> > > If you are looking for an out of the box solution, the $99
> > Netburner
> > > won't give you any analog inputs. The one option that gives
> analog
> > > inputs and brings them out to interface is $299. With Rabbit,
you
> > need
> > > to go to the 4200 core to get on-board analog inputs and
> ethernet.
> > The
> > > Netburners with analog inputs are only 10-bit, while the
Rabbits
> > with
> > > analog inputs offer 12 bits, and can be used differentially or
> > single
> > > ended. If you are making your own board you have a lot more
> options.
> > >
> > > The Netburner draws significantly more power than the fastest
> > rabbit
> > > products, if power is a concern.
> > >
> > > Dynamic C is an odd bastardization of C, but Softools makes an
> ANSI
> > C
> > > compiler. Netburner does offer ANSI C/C++
> > >
> > > Just a few more things to think about.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
>



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Thanks to every one who contributed to this thread especially seulaterbuddy.
You've given me just enough to be dangerous and now it's time to start
spending some $$.

Cheers,
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: r...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:r...@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of seulaterbuddy
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 7:51 AM
To: r...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [rabbit-semi] Re: Newbie Rabbit vs Netburner question...
Mark, just want to correct you one one thing, you said "Netburner
does offer ANSI C/C++". i just want to point out that their tools
are "Fully ANSI compliant C/C++ compiler and linker." as per their
web site.

True, they do draw more power, so if power is a big concern then the
choice is already made.

I would hate to have someone like Chris to start out learning C with
rabbits Dynamic C. By the time has got it all together and then moves
to a real ANSI compliant system, or tries to even port his code over
he will be pulling his hair out wondering why his code is broken.
It's best if he learns ANSI compliant C first.

I was there when Rabbit was still a bunny. The only reason why i am
even in this forum is because i am playing with their RCM4400 Wi-Fi
module. however in Q2 NB will be releasing theirs and it will even be
cheaper than Rabbits. then i will say my final goodbyes to Rabbit.

I will tell you guys one other thing. Some of you mentioned that your
from Basic. Then you should check out TIBBO.com

I bought a EM1000 kit from Tibbo and it is AWESOME. if you need lower
cost and dont need so much horse power then check out the EM1000
module: http://www.tibbo.com/em1000.php
getting on the net is ULTRA SIMPLE and this also supports uploading
your code via Ethernet. I also recommend this device as well. they
are too going to be coming out with a Wi-Fi module this spring as
well.

Tibbo is going to be BIG hit, so stay tuned to them. Between NB and
Tibbo i believe rabbits sales will be getting smaller and smaller.

Rabbit was taken over by the money hungry company DIGI. DIGI has yet
to learn in this life that when you mark something up to high to
chase away your customers. when i saw that Rabbit was bought by them
i knew the end or the Rabbit is near. DIGI as a company is terrible,
the people there dont have ANY clue how to run a business.

Take the RCM4400 WiFi module for instance. they sell a WiFI module
but only have 2 examples, and they are how to twinkle the on board
leds (ans not even through a web page). HELLO!!! if this is a WiFi
module i want WiFi examples. How stupid is that ?

Bottom line is this, if you need a 10/100 network capable device with
large amounts of ram & flash to store your web page, and lost of
speed to do things in a uCOS environment then NB it your boy. Now
that NB has lowed their cost to $79 you dont even need thoes as
reasons anymore. i just dont see why anyone would use Rabbit. other
than the power issue of course. why buy a pinto for $100 when you can
get a Cadillac for $79 ??

If you comfortable with basic, and not quite ready to move to C then
i would suggest TIBBO.com their tools and hardware is very nice. they
are my second choice. the only reason they are not my first is
because i have been doing C for so many years now, for me to try out
basic is well kinda rough sometimes. Not to mention most of my stuff
i make is very high speed so i need the NB.

Chris, to answer your question. I cannot say how long it will take
you as i dont know how much of a quick learner your are. the module i
specified does not have A/D on-board just as Mark had mentioned. when
i need A/D i just slap on a $2.12 Microchip 13bit 8 pin a/d converter
(MCP3301) via SPI bus. its simple to connect, cheap & very accurate.
NB has source code examples for the SPI bus all ready to go. However
sine you come from basic, you might like to think about Tibbo first.
check them out.

Ask me what you will, i will be truthful with you about it.

Dudes, i know the some of your are partial to Rabbit and i dont want
to pick on your Rabbit pride. I have been around the block many times
and i wish there was someone like me around in the forums that was
not afraid to step on some toes and point me into a different
direction. the money i spend on the several Rabbit kits was a total
waste. the speed is not there and when i have to port over me ANSI C
code to rabbit i am always have to change it to work within Dynamic C.

--- In r...@yahoogroups.com, "mehiegl" wrote:
>
> Your post made me curious since I was not familiar with Netburner.
They
> certainly make interesting products. I am a rabbit user, not a big
fan,
> but they serve a purpose. Either is an upgrade over the BASIC Stamp
for
> what you want.
>
> Make sure you compare apples to apples when you make the choice.
> Certainly, Netburner offers superior performance, but there are a
> number of trade-offs to consider.
>
> If you are looking for an out of the box solution, the $99
Netburner
> won't give you any analog inputs. The one option that gives analog
> inputs and brings them out to interface is $299. With Rabbit, you
need
> to go to the 4200 core to get on-board analog inputs and ethernet.
The
> Netburners with analog inputs are only 10-bit, while the Rabbits
with
> analog inputs offer 12 bits, and can be used differentially or
single
> ended. If you are making your own board you have a lot more options.
>
> The Netburner draws significantly more power than the fastest
rabbit
> products, if power is a concern.
>
> Dynamic C is an odd bastardization of C, but Softools makes an ANSI
C
> compiler. Netburner does offer ANSI C/C++
>
> Just a few more things to think about.
>
> Mark
>

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Hello anybody used the PWM on port E on the rabbit R4000

i used parts out of PWM_test.c

if pwm_options is set to PWM_USEPORTC I get a nice pwm on port C PWM
channel 1

if pwm_options is set to PWM_USEPORTE I get nothing on port E PWM
channel 1

i am using the demo board with a scope can't quite figure this one out

#class auto

void main()
{
unsigned long freq;
int pwm_options, err;
char opt;

// request 10kHz PWM cycle (will select closest possible value)
freq = pwm_init(10000ul);
printf("Actual PWM frequency = %lu Hz\n", freq);
// Select PWM output port

pwm_options = PWM_USEPORTC;

err = pwm_set(1, (int)(0.25 * 1024.0), pwm_options);
if(err < 0) {
printf("Error, channel 1.\n");
}

while(1); //keep running the program
}



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How is NetBurner debugging? I have a kit but I haven't had a chance to
play with it yet. The thing I like about the Rabbit is the ability to
compile to RAM and set breakpoints and examine variables, much like a PC
program. How does NetBurner handle that?

-Mike
--
Mike vanMeeteren FASTechnologies Corp.
Wakeboarding as much as possible, on a 2007 Air Nautique SV-211.



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they have it, but i have never used it and have not read up on it.

personally, i never did understand why anyone would need debugging /
break points. there must be a reason because people use it and want
it. for me if i am having trouble with something i just slap a printf
there to see whats going on. Dont quite see why there would be a need
for something more that that.

--- In r...@yahoogroups.com, Mike van Meeteren
wrote:
>
> How is NetBurner debugging? I have a kit but I haven't had a
chance to
> play with it yet. The thing I like about the Rabbit is the ability
to
> compile to RAM and set breakpoints and examine variables, much like
a PC
> program. How does NetBurner handle that?
>
> -Mike
> --
> Mike vanMeeteren FASTechnologies Corp.
> Wakeboarding as much as possible, on a 2007 Air Nautique SV-211.
>



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Most modern CPUs have JTAG on board debugging. It's a bonus and
simplifies debugging. Especially when you have vectored interrupt issues
(As I had on an ARM 9) yesterday.

Saves time, you can see the assembly code and the internal registers.
You don't have to recompile to print the data out of a serial port. And
to search/guess where to put the command.

Debugging by printing out of a serial port went out of fashion years
ago. The last time I used that technique was in 1999 on a Philips XAS3
CPU. Today I will never design a CPU onto my board without hardware
debugging features. It saves time. 10% of the time is spent coding and
90% of the time debugging. If you can reduce this debugging period you
become more productive and earn more $$.

A.

seulaterbuddy wrote:
>
> they have it, but i have never used it and have not read up on it.
>
> personally, i never did understand why anyone would need debugging /
> break points. there must be a reason because people use it and want
> it. for me if i am having trouble with something i just slap a printf
> there to see whats going on. Dont quite see why there would be a need
> for something more that that.
>
> --- In r...@yahoogroups.com
> , Mike van Meeteren
> wrote:
> >
> > How is NetBurner debugging? I have a kit but I haven't had a
> chance to
> > play with it yet. The thing I like about the Rabbit is the ability
> to
> > compile to RAM and set breakpoints and examine variables, much like
> a PC
> > program. How does NetBurner handle that?
> >
> > -Mike
> > --
> > Mike vanMeeteren FASTechnologies Corp.
> > Wakeboarding as much as possible, on a 2007 Air Nautique SV-211.
> >



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Your post made me curious since I was not familiar with Netburner. They
certainly make interesting products. I am a rabbit user, not a big fan,
but they serve a purpose. Either is an upgrade over the BASIC Stamp for
what you want.

Make sure you compare apples to apples when you make the choice.
Certainly, Netburner offers superior performance, but there are a
number of trade-offs to consider.

If you are looking for an out of the box solution, the $99 Netburner
won't give you any analog inputs. The one option that gives analog
inputs and brings them out to interface is $299. With Rabbit, you need
to go to the 4200 core to get on-board analog inputs and ethernet. The
Netburners with analog inputs are only 10-bit, while the Rabbits with
analog inputs offer 12 bits, and can be used differentially or single
ended. If you are making your own board you have a lot more options.

The Netburner draws significantly more power than the fastest rabbit
products, if power is a concern.

Dynamic C is an odd bastardization of C, but Softools makes an ANSI C
compiler. Netburner does offer ANSI C/C++

Just a few more things to think about.

Mark



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>>they have it, but i have never used it and have not read up on it.
>>personally, i never did understand why anyone would need debugging /
>>break points. there must be a reason because people use it and want
>>it. for me if i am having trouble with something i just slap a printf
>>there to see whats going on. Dont quite see why there would be a need
>>for something more that that.

Yes, I used to debug like that too.

But once you get used to ahem, 'proper' debugging you never look back!

-Kenny

From: r...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:r...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of seulaterbuddy
Sent: 05 March 2008 14:10
To: r...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [rabbit-semi] Re: Newbie Rabbit vs. Netburner question...

they have it, but i have never used it and have not read up on it.

personally, i never did understand why anyone would need debugging /
break points. there must be a reason because people use it and want
it. for me if i am having trouble with something i just slap a printf
there to see whats going on. Dont quite see why there would be a need
for something more that that.

--- In r...@yahoogroups.com ,
Mike van Meeteren
wrote:
>
> How is NetBurner debugging? I have a kit but I haven't had a
chance to
> play with it yet. The thing I like about the Rabbit is the ability
to
> compile to RAM and set breakpoints and examine variables, much like
a PC
> program. How does NetBurner handle that?
>
> -Mike
> --
> Mike vanMeeteren FASTechnologies Corp.
> Wakeboarding as much as possible, on a 2007 Air Nautique SV-211.
>



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