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Pocket-ICD2 programmer - ray xu - Sep 15 18:49:05 2008
Hello,
I'm planning to use this programmer
(http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=6) for my
dsPIC. I'm just wondering that if anyone has used this with a USB to RS232
cable and either did not work or worked; since my laptop (computer I use on
the field) does not have a serial port, and I don't want to spend a lot on
the USB version. I'm using this as a low-cost alternative to the MPLAB
ICD-2.
Thanks.
___________________
Ray Xu
r...@tx.rr.com
DPRG member
OOPic
Seattle
group member
My Blog
(You need to be a member of piclist -- send a blank email to piclist-subscribe@yahoogroups.com )
I'm planning to use this programmer
(http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=6) for my
dsPIC. I'm just wondering that if anyone has used this with a USB to RS232
cable and either did not work or worked; since my laptop (computer I use on
the field) does not have a serial port, and I don't want to spend a lot on
the USB version. I'm using this as a low-cost alternative to the MPLAB
ICD-2.
Thanks.
___________________
Ray Xu
r...@tx.rr.com
DPRG
OOPic
Seattle
group member
My Blog
(You need to be a member of piclist -- send a blank email to piclist-subscribe@yahoogroups.com )
Re: Pocket-ICD2 programmer - "John J. McDonough, WB8RCR" - Sep 15 19:03:49 2008
Beware. On parts with more registers, for example the dsPICs, debugging at
USB speed is marginal. Serial would probably be intolerable unless you are
very careful about what you do. For programming only it shouldn't be too
bad.
Depending on the particular parts you are interested in you might consider a
PICkit2. It costs less than this Tiny-ICD2 and runs at USB speed. Only
problem is that the number of PICs that are supported is limited. If you
select the processor on whatever version of MPLAB you intend to use, it will
tell you whether that part is supported by PICkit2
72/73 de WB8RCR http://www.qsl.net/wb8rcr
didileydadidah QRP-L #1446 Code Warriors #35
----- Original Message -----
From: ray xu
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:49 PM
Subject: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
Hello,
I'm planning to use this programmer
(http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=6) for my
dsPIC. I'm just wondering that if anyone has used this with a USB to RS232
cable and either did not work or worked; since my laptop (computer I use on
the field) does not have a serial port, and I don't want to spend a lot on
the USB version. I'm using this as a low-cost alternative to the MPLAB
ICD-2.
Thanks.
___________________
Ray Xu
r...@tx.rr.com
DPRG member
OOPic group member
Seattle Robotics group member
My Blog
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USB speed is marginal. Serial would probably be intolerable unless you are
very careful about what you do. For programming only it shouldn't be too
bad.
Depending on the particular parts you are interested in you might consider a
PICkit2. It costs less than this Tiny-ICD2 and runs at USB speed. Only
problem is that the number of PICs that are supported is limited. If you
select the processor on whatever version of MPLAB you intend to use, it will
tell you whether that part is supported by PICkit2
72/73 de WB8RCR http://www.qsl.net/wb8rcr
didileydadidah QRP-L #1446 Code Warriors #35
----- Original Message -----
From: ray xu
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:49 PM
Subject: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
Hello,
I'm planning to use this programmer
(http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=6) for my
dsPIC. I'm just wondering that if anyone has used this with a USB to RS232
cable and either did not work or worked; since my laptop (computer I use on
the field) does not have a serial port, and I don't want to spend a lot on
the USB version. I'm using this as a low-cost alternative to the MPLAB
ICD-2.
Thanks.
___________________
Ray Xu
r...@tx.rr.com
DPRG member
OOPic group member
Seattle Robotics group member
My Blog
------------------------------------
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RE: Pocket-ICD2 programmer - ray xu - Sep 15 20:34:24 2008
By "intolerable", do you mean there will be lag? Could you please
elaborate? Thanks. And, sadly, the PicKit 2 does not support any of the
dsPIC30F devices (the only ones running at 5V); according to MPLAB 8.10.
___________________
Ray Xu
r...@tx.rr.com
DPRG member
OOPic
Seattle
group member
My Blog
-----Original Message-----
From: p...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:p...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
John J. McDonough, WB8RCR
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:02 PM
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
Beware. On parts with more registers, for example the dsPICs, debugging at
USB speed is marginal. Serial would probably be intolerable unless you are
very careful about what you do. For programming only it shouldn't be too
bad.
Depending on the particular parts you are interested in you might consider a
PICkit2. It costs less than this Tiny-ICD2 and runs at USB speed. Only
problem is that the number of PICs that are supported is limited. If you
select the processor on whatever version of MPLAB you intend to use, it will
tell you whether that part is supported by PICkit2
72/73 de WB8RCR http://www.qsl. net/wb8rcr
didileydadidah QRP-L #1446 Code Warriors #35
----- Original Message -----
From: ray xu
To: piclist@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:49 PM
Subject: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
Hello,
I'm planning to use this programmer
(http://www.sparkfun
.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=6) for my
dsPIC. I'm just wondering that if anyone has used this with a USB to RS232
cable and either did not work or worked; since my laptop (computer I use on
the field) does not have a serial port, and I don't want to spend a lot on
the USB version. I'm using this as a low-cost alternative to the MPLAB
ICD-2.
Thanks.
___________________
Ray Xu
r...@tx.rr. com
DPRG member
OOPic group member
Seattle Robotics group member
My Blog
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elaborate? Thanks. And, sadly, the PicKit 2 does not support any of the
dsPIC30F devices (the only ones running at 5V); according to MPLAB 8.10.
___________________
Ray Xu
r...@tx.rr.com
DPRG
OOPic
Seattle
group member
My Blog
-----Original Message-----
From: p...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:p...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
John J. McDonough, WB8RCR
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:02 PM
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
Beware. On parts with more registers, for example the dsPICs, debugging at
USB speed is marginal. Serial would probably be intolerable unless you are
very careful about what you do. For programming only it shouldn't be too
bad.
Depending on the particular parts you are interested in you might consider a
PICkit2. It costs less than this Tiny-ICD2 and runs at USB speed. Only
problem is that the number of PICs that are supported is limited. If you
select the processor on whatever version of MPLAB you intend to use, it will
tell you whether that part is supported by PICkit2
72/73 de WB8RCR http://www.qsl.
didileydadidah QRP-L #1446 Code Warriors #35
----- Original Message -----
From: ray xu
To: piclist@yahoogroups
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:49 PM
Subject: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
Hello,
I'm planning to use this programmer
(http://www.sparkfun
.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=6) for my
dsPIC. I'm just wondering that if anyone has used this with a USB to RS232
cable and either did not work or worked; since my laptop (computer I use on
the field) does not have a serial port, and I don't want to spend a lot on
the USB version. I'm using this as a low-cost alternative to the MPLAB
ICD-2.
Thanks.
___________________
Ray Xu
r...@tx.rr.
DPRG member
OOPic group member
Seattle Robotics group member
My Blog
(You need to be a member of piclist -- send a blank email to piclist-subscribe@yahoogroups.com )
Re: Pocket-ICD2 programmer - "John J. McDonough, WB8RCR" - Sep 15 21:12:07 2008
When you are debugging, the debugger and the PC need to talk -- A LOT. The
amount of talk depends on how may windows you have open and what you are
looking at.
If you have a watch window open with only a few selected locations and
single-stepping, there is a noticeable lag (even with USB) each step as the
debugger reports the variables to the PC. If you have the register window
for a dsPIC open, the lag with USB can be quite annoying. I did a little
with the ICD2 and serial on some 16F's and even there the lag was pretty
intolerable, so I basically quit using the ICD over serial.
If you only use breakpoints it isn't so bad. But if you are displaying a
buffer or something like that, even with a breakpoint it can be very
annoying to wait for all the chit-chat.
You can manage the lag by paying close attention, but at least when I am
debugging, it isn't the debugger I want to be paying attention to.
72/73 de WB8RCR http://www.qsl.net/wb8rcr
didileydadidah QRP-L #1446 Code Warriors #35
----- Original Message -----
From: ray xu
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 8:34 PM
Subject: RE: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
By "intolerable", do you mean there will be lag? Could you please
elaborate? Thanks. And, sadly, the PicKit 2 does not support any of the
dsPIC30F devices (the only ones running at 5V); according to MPLAB 8.10.
___________________
Ray Xu
r...@tx.rr.com
DPRG member
OOPic group member
Seattle Robotics group member
My Blog
-----Original Message-----
From: p...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:p...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
John J. McDonough, WB8RCR
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:02 PM
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
Beware. On parts with more registers, for example the dsPICs, debugging at
USB speed is marginal. Serial would probably be intolerable unless you are
very careful about what you do. For programming only it shouldn't be too
bad.
Depending on the particular parts you are interested in you might consider a
PICkit2. It costs less than this Tiny-ICD2 and runs at USB speed. Only
problem is that the number of PICs that are supported is limited. If you
select the processor on whatever version of MPLAB you intend to use, it will
tell you whether that part is supported by PICkit2
72/73 de WB8RCR http://www.qsl.net/wb8rcr
didileydadidah QRP-L #1446 Code Warriors #35
----- Original Message -----
From: ray xu
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:49 PM
Subject: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
Hello,
I'm planning to use this programmer
(http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=6) for my
dsPIC. I'm just wondering that if anyone has used this with a USB to RS232
cable and either did not work or worked; since my laptop (computer I use on
the field) does not have a serial port, and I don't want to spend a lot on
the USB version. I'm using this as a low-cost alternative to the MPLAB
ICD-2.
Thanks.
___________________
Ray Xu
r...@tx.rr.com
DPRG member
OOPic group member
Seattle Robotics group member
My Blog
------------------------------------
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amount of talk depends on how may windows you have open and what you are
looking at.
If you have a watch window open with only a few selected locations and
single-stepping, there is a noticeable lag (even with USB) each step as the
debugger reports the variables to the PC. If you have the register window
for a dsPIC open, the lag with USB can be quite annoying. I did a little
with the ICD2 and serial on some 16F's and even there the lag was pretty
intolerable, so I basically quit using the ICD over serial.
If you only use breakpoints it isn't so bad. But if you are displaying a
buffer or something like that, even with a breakpoint it can be very
annoying to wait for all the chit-chat.
You can manage the lag by paying close attention, but at least when I am
debugging, it isn't the debugger I want to be paying attention to.
72/73 de WB8RCR http://www.qsl.net/wb8rcr
didileydadidah QRP-L #1446 Code Warriors #35
----- Original Message -----
From: ray xu
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 8:34 PM
Subject: RE: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
By "intolerable", do you mean there will be lag? Could you please
elaborate? Thanks. And, sadly, the PicKit 2 does not support any of the
dsPIC30F devices (the only ones running at 5V); according to MPLAB 8.10.
___________________
Ray Xu
r...@tx.rr.com
DPRG member
OOPic group member
Seattle Robotics group member
My Blog
-----Original Message-----
From: p...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:p...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
John J. McDonough, WB8RCR
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:02 PM
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
Beware. On parts with more registers, for example the dsPICs, debugging at
USB speed is marginal. Serial would probably be intolerable unless you are
very careful about what you do. For programming only it shouldn't be too
bad.
Depending on the particular parts you are interested in you might consider a
PICkit2. It costs less than this Tiny-ICD2 and runs at USB speed. Only
problem is that the number of PICs that are supported is limited. If you
select the processor on whatever version of MPLAB you intend to use, it will
tell you whether that part is supported by PICkit2
72/73 de WB8RCR http://www.qsl.net/wb8rcr
didileydadidah QRP-L #1446 Code Warriors #35
----- Original Message -----
From: ray xu
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:49 PM
Subject: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
Hello,
I'm planning to use this programmer
(http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=6) for my
dsPIC. I'm just wondering that if anyone has used this with a USB to RS232
cable and either did not work or worked; since my laptop (computer I use on
the field) does not have a serial port, and I don't want to spend a lot on
the USB version. I'm using this as a low-cost alternative to the MPLAB
ICD-2.
Thanks.
___________________
Ray Xu
r...@tx.rr.com
DPRG member
OOPic group member
Seattle Robotics group member
My Blog
------------------------------------
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RE: Pocket-ICD2 programmer - ray xu - Sep 15 21:20:00 2008
So if I used a USB to RS232 cable, would the lag b the same or much better?
___________________
Ray Xu
r...@tx.rr.com
DPRG member
OOPic
Seattle
group member
My Blog
-----Original Message-----
From: p...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:p...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
John J. McDonough, WB8RCR
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 8:11 PM
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
When you are debugging, the debugger and the PC need to talk -- A LOT. The
amount of talk depends on how may windows you have open and what you are
looking at.
If you have a watch window open with only a few selected locations and
single-stepping, there is a noticeable lag (even with USB) each step as the
debugger reports the variables to the PC. If you have the register window
for a dsPIC open, the lag with USB can be quite annoying. I did a little
with the ICD2 and serial on some 16F's and even there the lag was pretty
intolerable, so I basically quit using the ICD over serial.
If you only use breakpoints it isn't so bad. But if you are displaying a
buffer or something like that, even with a breakpoint it can be very
annoying to wait for all the chit-chat.
You can manage the lag by paying close attention, but at least when I am
debugging, it isn't the debugger I want to be paying attention to.
72/73 de WB8RCR http://www.qsl. net/wb8rcr
didileydadidah QRP-L #1446 Code Warriors #35
----- Original Message -----
From: ray xu
To: piclist@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 8:34 PM
Subject: RE: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
By "intolerable", do you mean there will be lag? Could you please
elaborate? Thanks. And, sadly, the PicKit 2 does not support any of the
dsPIC30F devices (the only ones running at 5V); according to MPLAB 8.10.
___________________
Ray Xu
r...@tx.rr. com
DPRG member
OOPic group member
Seattle Robotics group member
My Blog
-----Original Message-----
From: piclist@yahoogroups .com
[mailto:piclist@yahoogroups .com] On
Behalf Of
John J. McDonough, WB8RCR
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:02 PM
To: piclist@yahoogroups .com
Subject: Re: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
Beware. On parts with more registers, for example the dsPICs, debugging at
USB speed is marginal. Serial would probably be intolerable unless you are
very careful about what you do. For programming only it shouldn't be too
bad.
Depending on the particular parts you are interested in you might consider a
PICkit2. It costs less than this Tiny-ICD2 and runs at USB speed. Only
problem is that the number of PICs that are supported is limited. If you
select the processor on whatever version of MPLAB you intend to use, it will
tell you whether that part is supported by PICkit2
72/73 de WB8RCR http://www.qsl. net/wb8rcr
didileydadidah QRP-L #1446 Code Warriors #35
----- Original Message -----
From: ray xu
To: piclist@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:49 PM
Subject: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
Hello,
I'm planning to use this programmer
(http://www.sparkfun
.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=6) for my
dsPIC. I'm just wondering that if anyone has used this with a USB to RS232
cable and either did not work or worked; since my laptop (computer I use on
the field) does not have a serial port, and I don't want to spend a lot on
the USB version. I'm using this as a low-cost alternative to the MPLAB
ICD-2.
Thanks.
___________________
Ray Xu
r...@tx.rr. com
DPRG member
OOPic group member
Seattle Robotics group member
My Blog
(You need to be a member of piclist -- send a blank email to piclist-subscribe@yahoogroups.com )
___________________
Ray Xu
r...@tx.rr.com
DPRG
OOPic
Seattle
group member
My Blog
-----Original Message-----
From: p...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:p...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
John J. McDonough, WB8RCR
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 8:11 PM
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
When you are debugging, the debugger and the PC need to talk -- A LOT. The
amount of talk depends on how may windows you have open and what you are
looking at.
If you have a watch window open with only a few selected locations and
single-stepping, there is a noticeable lag (even with USB) each step as the
debugger reports the variables to the PC. If you have the register window
for a dsPIC open, the lag with USB can be quite annoying. I did a little
with the ICD2 and serial on some 16F's and even there the lag was pretty
intolerable, so I basically quit using the ICD over serial.
If you only use breakpoints it isn't so bad. But if you are displaying a
buffer or something like that, even with a breakpoint it can be very
annoying to wait for all the chit-chat.
You can manage the lag by paying close attention, but at least when I am
debugging, it isn't the debugger I want to be paying attention to.
72/73 de WB8RCR http://www.qsl.
didileydadidah QRP-L #1446 Code Warriors #35
----- Original Message -----
From: ray xu
To: piclist@yahoogroups
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 8:34 PM
Subject: RE: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
By "intolerable", do you mean there will be lag? Could you please
elaborate? Thanks. And, sadly, the PicKit 2 does not support any of the
dsPIC30F devices (the only ones running at 5V); according to MPLAB 8.10.
___________________
Ray Xu
r...@tx.rr.
DPRG member
OOPic group member
Seattle Robotics group member
My Blog
-----Original Message-----
From: piclist@yahoogroups
[mailto:piclist@yahoogroups
Behalf Of
John J. McDonough, WB8RCR
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:02 PM
To: piclist@yahoogroups
Subject: Re: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
Beware. On parts with more registers, for example the dsPICs, debugging at
USB speed is marginal. Serial would probably be intolerable unless you are
very careful about what you do. For programming only it shouldn't be too
bad.
Depending on the particular parts you are interested in you might consider a
PICkit2. It costs less than this Tiny-ICD2 and runs at USB speed. Only
problem is that the number of PICs that are supported is limited. If you
select the processor on whatever version of MPLAB you intend to use, it will
tell you whether that part is supported by PICkit2
72/73 de WB8RCR http://www.qsl.
didileydadidah QRP-L #1446 Code Warriors #35
----- Original Message -----
From: ray xu
To: piclist@yahoogroups
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:49 PM
Subject: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
Hello,
I'm planning to use this programmer
(http://www.sparkfun
.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=6) for my
dsPIC. I'm just wondering that if anyone has used this with a USB to RS232
cable and either did not work or worked; since my laptop (computer I use on
the field) does not have a serial port, and I don't want to spend a lot on
the USB version. I'm using this as a low-cost alternative to the MPLAB
ICD-2.
Thanks.
___________________
Ray Xu
r...@tx.rr.
DPRG member
OOPic group member
Seattle Robotics group member
My Blog
(You need to be a member of piclist -- send a blank email to piclist-subscribe@yahoogroups.com )
Re: Pocket-ICD2 programmer - "John J. McDonough, WB8RCR" - Sep 15 21:23:50 2008
The USB to serial converter will give you serial speeds. Sorry, nature of
the beast.
But at least it will work, unlike Tait-style programmers where a converter
WILL NOT work
72/73 de WB8RCR http://www.qsl.net/wb8rcr
didileydadidah QRP-L #1446 Code Warriors #35
----- Original Message -----
From: ray xu
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 9:19 PM
Subject: RE: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
So if I used a USB to RS232 cable, would the lag b the same or much better?
___________________
Ray Xu
r...@tx.rr.com
DPRG member
OOPic group member
Seattle Robotics group member
My Blog
-----Original Message-----
From: p...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:p...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
John J. McDonough, WB8RCR
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 8:11 PM
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
When you are debugging, the debugger and the PC need to talk -- A LOT. The
amount of talk depends on how may windows you have open and what you are
looking at.
If you have a watch window open with only a few selected locations and
single-stepping, there is a noticeable lag (even with USB) each step as the
debugger reports the variables to the PC. If you have the register window
for a dsPIC open, the lag with USB can be quite annoying. I did a little
with the ICD2 and serial on some 16F's and even there the lag was pretty
intolerable, so I basically quit using the ICD over serial.
If you only use breakpoints it isn't so bad. But if you are displaying a
buffer or something like that, even with a breakpoint it can be very
annoying to wait for all the chit-chat.
You can manage the lag by paying close attention, but at least when I am
debugging, it isn't the debugger I want to be paying attention to.
72/73 de WB8RCR http://www.qsl.net/wb8rcr
didileydadidah QRP-L #1446 Code Warriors #35
----- Original Message -----
From: ray xu
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 8:34 PM
Subject: RE: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
By "intolerable", do you mean there will be lag? Could you please
elaborate? Thanks. And, sadly, the PicKit 2 does not support any of the
dsPIC30F devices (the only ones running at 5V); according to MPLAB 8.10.
___________________
Ray Xu
r...@tx.rr.com
DPRG member
OOPic group member
Seattle Robotics group member
My Blog
-----Original Message-----
From: p...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:p...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
John J. McDonough, WB8RCR
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:02 PM
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
Beware. On parts with more registers, for example the dsPICs, debugging at
USB speed is marginal. Serial would probably be intolerable unless you are
very careful about what you do. For programming only it shouldn't be too
bad.
Depending on the particular parts you are interested in you might consider a
PICkit2. It costs less than this Tiny-ICD2 and runs at USB speed. Only
problem is that the number of PICs that are supported is limited. If you
select the processor on whatever version of MPLAB you intend to use, it will
tell you whether that part is supported by PICkit2
72/73 de WB8RCR http://www.qsl.net/wb8rcr
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----- Original Message -----
From: ray xu
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:49 PM
Subject: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
Hello,
I'm planning to use this programmer
(http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=6) for my
dsPIC. I'm just wondering that if anyone has used this with a USB to RS232
cable and either did not work or worked; since my laptop (computer I use on
the field) does not have a serial port, and I don't want to spend a lot on
the USB version. I'm using this as a low-cost alternative to the MPLAB
ICD-2.
Thanks.
___________________
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r...@tx.rr.com
DPRG member
OOPic group member
Seattle Robotics group member
My Blog
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the beast.
But at least it will work, unlike Tait-style programmers where a converter
WILL NOT work
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----- Original Message -----
From: ray xu
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 9:19 PM
Subject: RE: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
So if I used a USB to RS232 cable, would the lag b the same or much better?
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OOPic group member
Seattle Robotics group member
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-----Original Message-----
From: p...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:p...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
John J. McDonough, WB8RCR
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 8:11 PM
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
When you are debugging, the debugger and the PC need to talk -- A LOT. The
amount of talk depends on how may windows you have open and what you are
looking at.
If you have a watch window open with only a few selected locations and
single-stepping, there is a noticeable lag (even with USB) each step as the
debugger reports the variables to the PC. If you have the register window
for a dsPIC open, the lag with USB can be quite annoying. I did a little
with the ICD2 and serial on some 16F's and even there the lag was pretty
intolerable, so I basically quit using the ICD over serial.
If you only use breakpoints it isn't so bad. But if you are displaying a
buffer or something like that, even with a breakpoint it can be very
annoying to wait for all the chit-chat.
You can manage the lag by paying close attention, but at least when I am
debugging, it isn't the debugger I want to be paying attention to.
72/73 de WB8RCR http://www.qsl.net/wb8rcr
didileydadidah QRP-L #1446 Code Warriors #35
----- Original Message -----
From: ray xu
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 8:34 PM
Subject: RE: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
By "intolerable", do you mean there will be lag? Could you please
elaborate? Thanks. And, sadly, the PicKit 2 does not support any of the
dsPIC30F devices (the only ones running at 5V); according to MPLAB 8.10.
___________________
Ray Xu
r...@tx.rr.com
DPRG member
OOPic group member
Seattle Robotics group member
My Blog
-----Original Message-----
From: p...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:p...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
John J. McDonough, WB8RCR
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:02 PM
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
Beware. On parts with more registers, for example the dsPICs, debugging at
USB speed is marginal. Serial would probably be intolerable unless you are
very careful about what you do. For programming only it shouldn't be too
bad.
Depending on the particular parts you are interested in you might consider a
PICkit2. It costs less than this Tiny-ICD2 and runs at USB speed. Only
problem is that the number of PICs that are supported is limited. If you
select the processor on whatever version of MPLAB you intend to use, it will
tell you whether that part is supported by PICkit2
72/73 de WB8RCR http://www.qsl.net/wb8rcr
didileydadidah QRP-L #1446 Code Warriors #35
----- Original Message -----
From: ray xu
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:49 PM
Subject: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
Hello,
I'm planning to use this programmer
(http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=6) for my
dsPIC. I'm just wondering that if anyone has used this with a USB to RS232
cable and either did not work or worked; since my laptop (computer I use on
the field) does not have a serial port, and I don't want to spend a lot on
the USB version. I'm using this as a low-cost alternative to the MPLAB
ICD-2.
Thanks.
___________________
Ray Xu
r...@tx.rr.com
DPRG member
OOPic group member
Seattle Robotics group member
My Blog
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RE: Pocket-ICD2 programmer (now using PicKit 2) - ray xu - Sep 16 17:38:19 2008
Hi, looks like I got an outdated version of MPLAB (it's like they rolled out
the updated version of MPLAB 1 day after I downloaded mine). At first, I
wanted to use the PicKit 2 (never talked about it here), but since the
dsPIC30F devices weren't supported at that point, I couldn't and was
thinking about that pocket-ICD2.
Well now, luckily, the PicKit 2 now supports those devices and I'm going to
use the PicKit 2 instead of the ICD2 from now on. I saw that the dsPIC30F
devices only have beta support in debugging and downloading, does that mean
the programming/debugging will be slower, some commands not supported, etc.?
I also want to know other's experience with this.
___________________
Ray Xu
r...@tx.rr.com
DPRG member
OOPic
Seattle
group member
My Blog
-----Original Message-----
From: p...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:p...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
John J. McDonough, WB8RCR
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 8:24 PM
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
The USB to serial converter will give you serial speeds. Sorry, nature of
the beast.
But at least it will work, unlike Tait-style programmers where a converter
WILL NOT work
72/73 de WB8RCR http://www.qsl. net/wb8rcr
didileydadidah QRP-L #1446 Code Warriors #35
----- Original Message -----
From: ray xu
To: piclist@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 9:19 PM
Subject: RE: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
So if I used a USB to RS232 cable, would the lag b the same or much better?
___________________
Ray Xu
r...@tx.rr. com
DPRG member
OOPic group member
Seattle Robotics group member
My Blog
-----Original Message-----
From: piclist@yahoogroups .com
[mailto:piclist@yahoogroups .com] On
Behalf Of
John J. McDonough, WB8RCR
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 8:11 PM
To: piclist@yahoogroups .com
Subject: Re: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
When you are debugging, the debugger and the PC need to talk -- A LOT. The
amount of talk depends on how may windows you have open and what you are
looking at.
If you have a watch window open with only a few selected locations and
single-stepping, there is a noticeable lag (even with USB) each step as the
debugger reports the variables to the PC. If you have the register window
for a dsPIC open, the lag with USB can be quite annoying. I did a little
with the ICD2 and serial on some 16F's and even there the lag was pretty
intolerable, so I basically quit using the ICD over serial.
If you only use breakpoints it isn't so bad. But if you are displaying a
buffer or something like that, even with a breakpoint it can be very
annoying to wait for all the chit-chat.
You can manage the lag by paying close attention, but at least when I am
debugging, it isn't the debugger I want to be paying attention to.
72/73 de WB8RCR http://www.qsl. net/wb8rcr
didileydadidah QRP-L #1446 Code Warriors #35
----- Original Message -----
From: ray xu
To: piclist@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 8:34 PM
Subject: RE: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
By "intolerable", do you mean there will be lag? Could you please
elaborate? Thanks. And, sadly, the PicKit 2 does not support any of the
dsPIC30F devices (the only ones running at 5V); according to MPLAB 8.10.
___________________
Ray Xu
r...@tx.rr. com
DPRG member
OOPic group member
Seattle Robotics group member
My Blog
-----Original Message-----
From: piclist@yahoogroups .com
[mailto:piclist@yahoogroups .com] On
Behalf Of
John J. McDonough, WB8RCR
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:02 PM
To: piclist@yahoogroups .com
Subject: Re: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
Beware. On parts with more registers, for example the dsPICs, debugging at
USB speed is marginal. Serial would probably be intolerable unless you are
very careful about what you do. For programming only it shouldn't be too
bad.
Depending on the particular parts you are interested in you might consider a
PICkit2. It costs less than this Tiny-ICD2 and runs at USB speed. Only
problem is that the number of PICs that are supported is limited. If you
select the processor on whatever version of MPLAB you intend to use, it will
tell you whether that part is supported by PICkit2
72/73 de WB8RCR http://www.qsl. net/wb8rcr
didileydadidah QRP-L #1446 Code Warriors #35
----- Original Message -----
From: ray xu
To: piclist@yahoogroups .com
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:49 PM
Subject: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
Hello,
I'm planning to use this programmer
(http://www.sparkfun
.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=6) for my
dsPIC. I'm just wondering that if anyone has used this with a USB to RS232
cable and either did not work or worked; since my laptop (computer I use on
the field) does not have a serial port, and I don't want to spend a lot on
the USB version. I'm using this as a low-cost alternative to the MPLAB
ICD-2.
Thanks.
___________________
Ray Xu
r...@tx.rr. com
DPRG member
OOPic group member
Seattle Robotics group member
My Blog
(You need to be a member of piclist -- send a blank email to piclist-subscribe@yahoogroups.com )
the updated version of MPLAB 1 day after I downloaded mine). At first, I
wanted to use the PicKit 2 (never talked about it here), but since the
dsPIC30F devices weren't supported at that point, I couldn't and was
thinking about that pocket-ICD2.
Well now, luckily, the PicKit 2 now supports those devices and I'm going to
use the PicKit 2 instead of the ICD2 from now on. I saw that the dsPIC30F
devices only have beta support in debugging and downloading, does that mean
the programming/debugging will be slower, some commands not supported, etc.?
I also want to know other's experience with this.
___________________
Ray Xu
r...@tx.rr.com
DPRG
OOPic
Seattle
group member
My Blog
-----Original Message-----
From: p...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:p...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
John J. McDonough, WB8RCR
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 8:24 PM
To: p...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
The USB to serial converter will give you serial speeds. Sorry, nature of
the beast.
But at least it will work, unlike Tait-style programmers where a converter
WILL NOT work
72/73 de WB8RCR http://www.qsl.
didileydadidah QRP-L #1446 Code Warriors #35
----- Original Message -----
From: ray xu
To: piclist@yahoogroups
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 9:19 PM
Subject: RE: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
So if I used a USB to RS232 cable, would the lag b the same or much better?
___________________
Ray Xu
r...@tx.rr.
DPRG member
OOPic group member
Seattle Robotics group member
My Blog
-----Original Message-----
From: piclist@yahoogroups
[mailto:piclist@yahoogroups
Behalf Of
John J. McDonough, WB8RCR
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 8:11 PM
To: piclist@yahoogroups
Subject: Re: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
When you are debugging, the debugger and the PC need to talk -- A LOT. The
amount of talk depends on how may windows you have open and what you are
looking at.
If you have a watch window open with only a few selected locations and
single-stepping, there is a noticeable lag (even with USB) each step as the
debugger reports the variables to the PC. If you have the register window
for a dsPIC open, the lag with USB can be quite annoying. I did a little
with the ICD2 and serial on some 16F's and even there the lag was pretty
intolerable, so I basically quit using the ICD over serial.
If you only use breakpoints it isn't so bad. But if you are displaying a
buffer or something like that, even with a breakpoint it can be very
annoying to wait for all the chit-chat.
You can manage the lag by paying close attention, but at least when I am
debugging, it isn't the debugger I want to be paying attention to.
72/73 de WB8RCR http://www.qsl.
didileydadidah QRP-L #1446 Code Warriors #35
----- Original Message -----
From: ray xu
To: piclist@yahoogroups
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 8:34 PM
Subject: RE: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
By "intolerable", do you mean there will be lag? Could you please
elaborate? Thanks. And, sadly, the PicKit 2 does not support any of the
dsPIC30F devices (the only ones running at 5V); according to MPLAB 8.10.
___________________
Ray Xu
r...@tx.rr.
DPRG member
OOPic group member
Seattle Robotics group member
My Blog
-----Original Message-----
From: piclist@yahoogroups
[mailto:piclist@yahoogroups
Behalf Of
John J. McDonough, WB8RCR
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:02 PM
To: piclist@yahoogroups
Subject: Re: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
Beware. On parts with more registers, for example the dsPICs, debugging at
USB speed is marginal. Serial would probably be intolerable unless you are
very careful about what you do. For programming only it shouldn't be too
bad.
Depending on the particular parts you are interested in you might consider a
PICkit2. It costs less than this Tiny-ICD2 and runs at USB speed. Only
problem is that the number of PICs that are supported is limited. If you
select the processor on whatever version of MPLAB you intend to use, it will
tell you whether that part is supported by PICkit2
72/73 de WB8RCR http://www.qsl.
didileydadidah QRP-L #1446 Code Warriors #35
----- Original Message -----
From: ray xu
To: piclist@yahoogroups
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:49 PM
Subject: [piclist] Pocket-ICD2 programmer
Hello,
I'm planning to use this programmer
(http://www.sparkfun
.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=6) for my
dsPIC. I'm just wondering that if anyone has used this with a USB to RS232
cable and either did not work or worked; since my laptop (computer I use on
the field) does not have a serial port, and I don't want to spend a lot on
the USB version. I'm using this as a low-cost alternative to the MPLAB
ICD-2.
Thanks.
___________________
Ray Xu
r...@tx.rr.
DPRG member
OOPic group member
Seattle Robotics group member
My Blog
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