Dear All,

I've a blue tooth transceiver connected to the RS-232 of a
MSP430FG4618/F2013 Experimenter Board via null modem and a male-male
connector.

The MSP430 program sends commands to the blue tooth chip via UART.
However, the MSP430 fails to deliver the carriage return (). When
I connect the MSP430 to a PC it works fine.

Does anybody have a related experience?

Regards.
------------------------------------



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Sometimes the terminal program on a PC will supply the missing or
when it detects one or the other. The terminal program usually has
a parameter to set for this feature. Check if your PC terminal program
is doing this for you. (Sometimes you can look at the logged
communication data with Notepad and see that or is missing
from the data stream.)

Emmett Redd Ph.D. mailto:E...@missouristate.edu
Professor (417)836-5221
Department of Physics, Astronomy, and Materials Science
Missouri State University Fax (417)836-6226
901 SOUTH NATIONAL Dept (417)836-5131
SPRINGFIELD, MO 65897 USA

How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
How much ground would a groundhog hog if a groundhog could hog ground?
How much pig would a whistlepig whistle if a whistlepig could whistle
pig? :-\ :-/ :-)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: m...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:m...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of mmmew
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:11 PM
> To: m...@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [msp430] Sending a Carriage Return!
>
> Dear All,
>
> I've a blue tooth transceiver connected to the RS-232 of a
> MSP430FG4618/F2013 Experimenter Board via null modem and a male-male
> connector.
>
> The MSP430 program sends commands to the blue tooth chip via UART.
> However, the MSP430 fails to deliver the carriage return (). When
> I connect the MSP430 to a PC it works fine.
>
> Does anybody have a related experience?
>
> Regards.
> ------------------------------------



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Dear Dr. Redd,

Actually, this prorblem appears when I connect the MSP430 to the bluetooth
chip directly.
The terminal program has nothing to do with this problem.

Regards.

From: m...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:m...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Redd, Emmett R
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 6:33 PM
To: m...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [msp430] Sending a Carriage Return!

Sometimes the terminal program on a PC will supply the missing or
when it detects one or the other. The terminal program usually has
a parameter to set for this feature. Check if your PC terminal program
is doing this for you. (Sometimes you can look at the logged
communication data with Notepad and see that or is missing
from the data stream.)

Emmett Redd Ph.D. mailto:E...@missouristate.edu
Professor (417)836-5221
Department of Physics, Astronomy, and Materials Science
Missouri State University Fax (417)836-6226
901 SOUTH NATIONAL Dept (417)836-5131
SPRINGFIELD, MO 65897 USA

How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
How much ground would a groundhog hog if a groundhog could hog ground?
How much pig would a whistlepig whistle if a whistlepig could whistle
pig? :-\ :-/ :-)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: m...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:m...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of mmmew
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:11 PM
> To: m...@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [msp430] Sending a Carriage Return!
>
> Dear All,
>
> I've a blue tooth transceiver connected to the RS-232 of a
> MSP430FG4618/F2013 Experimenter Board via null modem and a male-male
> connector.
>
> The MSP430 program sends commands to the blue tooth chip via UART.
> However, the MSP430 fails to deliver the carriage return (). When
> I connect the MSP430 to a PC it works fine.
>
> Does anybody have a related experience?
>
> Regards.
> ------------------------------------



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I would try playing with '\r' '\n' and maybe changing their orders

Thanh

----- Original Message ----
From: mmmew
To: m...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 6:10:45 PM
Subject: [msp430] Sending a Carriage Return!
Dear All,

I've a blue tooth transceiver connected to the RS-232 of a
MSP430FG4618/ F2013 Experimenter Board via null modem and a male-male
connector.

The MSP430 program sends commands to the blue tooth chip via UART.
However, the MSP430 fails to deliver the carriage return (). When
I connect the MSP430 to a PC it works fine.

Does anybody have a related experience?

Regards.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
------------------------------------



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I was simply pointing out that your diagnostic method, "When I connect
the MSP430 to a PC it works fine.", might be working fine because it did
something special with the etc. I also shared how you could modify
your diagnostic method to make it show you what was really going on.

Emmett Redd Ph.D. mailto:E...@missouristate.edu
Professor (417)836-5221
Department of Physics, Astronomy, and Materials Science
Missouri State University Fax (417)836-6226
901 SOUTH NATIONAL Dept (417)836-5131
SPRINGFIELD, MO 65897 USA

How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
How much ground would a groundhog hog if a groundhog could hog ground?
How much pig would a whistlepig whistle if a whistlepig could whistle
pig? :-\ :-/ :-)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: m...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:m...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Mido
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 6:12 PM
> To: m...@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [msp430] RE: [] Sending a Carriage Return!
>
> Dear Dr. Redd,
>
> Actually, this prorblem appears when I connect the MSP430 to
> the bluetooth
> chip directly.
> The terminal program has nothing to do with this problem.
>
> Regards.
>
> From: m...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:m...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of
> Redd, Emmett R
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 6:33 PM
> To: m...@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [msp430] Sending a Carriage Return!
>
> Sometimes the terminal program on a PC will supply the missing or
> when it detects one or the other. The terminal program
> usually has
> a parameter to set for this feature. Check if your PC terminal program
> is doing this for you. (Sometimes you can look at the logged
> communication data with Notepad and see that or is missing
> from the data stream.)
>
> Emmett Redd Ph.D. mailto:E...@missouristate.edu
> Professor (417)836-5221
> Department of Physics, Astronomy, and Materials Science
> Missouri State University Fax (417)836-6226
> 901 SOUTH NATIONAL Dept (417)836-5131
> SPRINGFIELD, MO 65897 USA
>
> How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
> How much ground would a groundhog hog if a groundhog could hog ground?
> How much pig would a whistlepig whistle if a whistlepig could whistle
> pig? :-\ :-/ :-)
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: m...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:m...@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of mmmew
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:11 PM
> > To: m...@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [msp430] Sending a Carriage Return!
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > I've a blue tooth transceiver connected to the RS-232 of a
> > MSP430FG4618/F2013 Experimenter Board via null modem and a male-male
> > connector.
> >
> > The MSP430 program sends commands to the blue tooth chip via UART.
> > However, the MSP430 fails to deliver the carriage return
> (). When
> > I connect the MSP430 to a PC it works fine.
> >
> > Does anybody have a related experience?
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >



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I've already tried that many times, and in all possible combinations.
No luck so far :(

--- In m...@yahoogroups.com, Thanh Tran wrote:
>
> I would try playing with '\r' '\n' and maybe changing their orders
>
> Thanh
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: mmmew
> To: m...@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 6:10:45 PM
> Subject: [msp430] Sending a Carriage Return!
> Dear All,
>
> I've a blue tooth transceiver connected to the RS-232 of a
> MSP430FG4618/ F2013 Experimenter Board via null modem and a male-male
> connector.
>
> The MSP430 program sends commands to the blue tooth chip via UART.
> However, the MSP430 fails to deliver the carriage return (). When
> I connect the MSP430 to a PC it works fine.
>
> Does anybody have a related experience?
>
> Regards.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

------------------------------------



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Sounds to me like there is a filter on the bluetooth chip that possibly
blocks control characters, try sending 08H (backspace or BELL) or a
simple 0AH for newline without the carriage return. If these work in
direct connect but not on the bluettoth then either the bluetooth
transmitter, or the bluettoth driver likely is set up to filter command
codes (anything with a code less than 20H)

Al

mmmew wrote:

>I've already tried that many times, and in all possible combinations.
>No luck so far :(
>
>--- In m...@yahoogroups.com, Thanh Tran wrote:
>
>
>>I would try playing with '\r' '\n' and maybe changing their orders
>>
>>Thanh
>>----- Original Message ----
>>From: mmmew
>>To: m...@yahoogroups.com
>>Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 6:10:45 PM
>>Subject: [msp430] Sending a Carriage Return!
>>Dear All,
>>
>>I've a blue tooth transceiver connected to the RS-232 of a
>>MSP430FG4618/ F2013 Experimenter Board via null modem and a male-male
>>connector.
>>
>>The MSP430 program sends commands to the blue tooth chip via UART.
>>However, the MSP430 fails to deliver the carriage return (). When
>>I connect the MSP430 to a PC it works fine.
>>
>>Does anybody have a related experience?
>>
>>Regards.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>------------------------------------



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Well, the Bluetooth chip receives and reacts to the carriage return
correctly, if they are sent by a PC!

Hence, it is not a problem with the bluetooth chip!

Regards.

From: m...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:m...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Onestone
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 5:42 PM
To: m...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [msp430] Re: Sending a Carriage Return!

Sounds to me like there is a filter on the bluetooth chip that possibly
blocks control characters, try sending 08H (backspace or BELL) or a
simple 0AH for newline without the carriage return. If these work in
direct connect but not on the bluettoth then either the bluetooth
transmitter, or the bluettoth driver likely is set up to filter command
codes (anything with a code less than 20H)

Al

mmmew wrote:

>I've already tried that many times, and in all possible combinations.
>No luck so far :(
>
>--- In m...@yahoogroups.com , Thanh
Tran wrote:
>>I would try playing with '\r' '\n' and maybe changing their orders
>>
>>Thanh
>>----- Original Message ----
>>From: mmmew
>>To: m...@yahoogroups.com
>>Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 6:10:45 PM
>>Subject: [msp430] Sending a Carriage Return!
>>Dear All,
>>
>>I've a blue tooth transceiver connected to the RS-232 of a
>>MSP430FG4618/ F2013 Experimenter Board via null modem and a male-male
>>connector.
>>
>>The MSP430 program sends commands to the blue tooth chip via UART.
>>However, the MSP430 fails to deliver the carriage return (). When
>>I connect the MSP430 to a PC it works fine.
>>
>>Does anybody have a related experience?
>>
>>Regards.
>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>------------------------------------
>
>



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Well don't just tell everybody what it isn't and providse no other
information. If the PC to MSP direct connection works correctly and the
PC to Bluetooth to MSP
doesn't then the fault lies in the bluetooth OR the code that
communicates with it or the harware set up. Since my batteries are low
and my telepresence skills reduced as a reslt perhaps you kmight try
tsting a few things yourself . Assuming that all othger data gets
through both directions this isn't a hardware issue so check the MSP
side of the code, and next time somebody tries to help you don't be so
snotty. read my post I said bluetooth or its drivers. that applies to
either end. There are no other choices if the MSP is good, the PC is
good and the bluetooth causes problems the falt lies in the bluetooth
link somewhere.

Mido wrote:

>Well, the Bluetooth chip receives and reacts to the carriage return
>correctly, if they are sent by a PC!
>
>Hence, it is not a problem with the bluetooth chip!
>
>Regards.
>
>From: m...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:m...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
>Onestone
>Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 5:42 PM
>To: m...@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [msp430] Re: Sending a Carriage Return!
>
>Sounds to me like there is a filter on the bluetooth chip that possibly
>blocks control characters, try sending 08H (backspace or BELL) or a
>simple 0AH for newline without the carriage return. If these work in
>direct connect but not on the bluettoth then either the bluetooth
>transmitter, or the bluettoth driver likely is set up to filter command
>codes (anything with a code less than 20H)
>
>Al
>
>mmmew wrote:
>
>
>
>>I've already tried that many times, and in all possible combinations.
>>No luck so far :(
>>
>>--- In m...@yahoogroups.com , Thanh
>>
>>
>Tran wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
>>>I would try playing with '\r' '\n' and maybe changing their orders
>>>
>>>Thanh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----
>>>From: mmmew
>>>To: m...@yahoogroups.com
>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 6:10:45 PM
>>>Subject: [msp430] Sending a Carriage Return!
>>>
>>>
>>>Dear All,
>>>
>>>I've a blue tooth transceiver connected to the RS-232 of a
>>>MSP430FG4618/ F2013 Experimenter Board via null modem and a male-male
>>>connector.
>>>
>>>The MSP430 program sends commands to the blue tooth chip via UART.
>>>However, the MSP430 fails to deliver the carriage return (). When
>>>I connect the MSP430 to a PC it works fine.
>>>
>>>Does anybody have a related experience?
>>>
>>>Regards.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------------
>>
>>



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Hey there,

I do not understand why you are calling me "snotty"?

When the BT chip is connected to a PC via a serial cable, it can send and
receive all characters including the carriage return. Hence, there should be
no problem with the BT chip.

When the MSP is connected to a PC via a serial cable, it can send and
receive all characters including the carriage return. Hence, there should be
no problem with the program.

By the way, if you had read my initial email, you would know that there are
neither Bluetooth drivers involved, nor Bluetooth link being established.
The Bluetooth chip is connected to the MSP via a serial connection.

Regards.

From: m...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:m...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Onestone
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 6:58 PM
To: m...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [msp430] RE: [] Re: Sending a Carriage Return!

Well don't just tell everybody what it isn't and providse no other
information. If the PC to MSP direct connection works correctly and the
PC to Bluetooth to MSP
doesn't then the fault lies in the bluetooth OR the code that
communicates with it or the harware set up. Since my batteries are low
and my telepresence skills reduced as a reslt perhaps you kmight try
tsting a few things yourself . Assuming that all othger data gets
through both directions this isn't a hardware issue so check the MSP
side of the code, and next time somebody tries to help you don't be so
snotty. read my post I said bluetooth or its drivers. that applies to
either end. There are no other choices if the MSP is good, the PC is
good and the bluetooth causes problems the falt lies in the bluetooth
link somewhere.

Mido wrote:

>Well, the Bluetooth chip receives and reacts to the carriage return
>correctly, if they are sent by a PC!
>
>Hence, it is not a problem with the bluetooth chip!
>
>Regards.
>
>From: m...@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:m...@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf
Of
>Onestone
>Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 5:42 PM
>To: m...@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [msp430] Re: Sending a Carriage Return!
>
>Sounds to me like there is a filter on the bluetooth chip that possibly
>blocks control characters, try sending 08H (backspace or BELL) or a
>simple 0AH for newline without the carriage return. If these work in
>direct connect but not on the bluettoth then either the bluetooth
>transmitter, or the bluettoth driver likely is set up to filter command
>codes (anything with a code less than 20H)
>
>Al
>
>mmmew wrote:
>
>>I've already tried that many times, and in all possible combinations.
>>No luck so far :(
>>
>>--- In m...@yahoogroups.com
, Thanh
>Tran wrote:
>>>I would try playing with '\r' '\n' and maybe changing their orders
>>>
>>>Thanh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----
>>>From: mmmew
>>>To: m...@yahoogroups.com

>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 6:10:45 PM
>>>Subject: [msp430] Sending a Carriage Return!
>>>
>>>
>>>Dear All,
>>>
>>>I've a blue tooth transceiver connected to the RS-232 of a
>>>MSP430FG4618/ F2013 Experimenter Board via null modem and a male-male
>>>connector.
>>>
>>>The MSP430 program sends commands to the blue tooth chip via UART.
>>>However, the MSP430 fails to deliver the carriage return (). When
>>>I connect the MSP430 to a PC it works fine.
>>>
>>>Does anybody have a related experience?
>>>
>>>Regards.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------------
>>
>>




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I drive my car from home to a shopping center often, and never had any
problem.

I also drive my car to work often, and never had any problem either.

Yesterday I drove it from work to the shopping center, and it hit a
tree. What is wrong with it?
------------------------------------



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More like you hit the tree via your car. Let's get the responsibility
right here.

old_cow_yellow wrote:
>
> I drive my car from home to a shopping center often, and never had any
> problem.
>
> I also drive my car to work often, and never had any problem either.
>
> Yesterday I drove it from work to the shopping center, and it hit a
> tree. What is wrong with it?
>
>
------------------------------------



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You are exactly right.

--- In m...@yahoogroups.com, Steve Sabram wrote:
>
> More like you hit the tree via your car. Let's get the responsibility
> right here.
>
> old_cow_yellow wrote:
> >
> > I drive my car from home to a shopping center often, and never had any
> > problem.
> >
> > I also drive my car to work often, and never had any problem either.
> >
> > Yesterday I drove it from work to the shopping center, and it hit a
> > tree. What is wrong with it?
> >
>
------------------------------------



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Somehow I do not receive old_cow_yellow messages. So I will take this path to answer his question.

Well buddy, your car is not capable to think outside the box :)
It must be an "yestarday" car :)

Without wax,
BB

--- On Wed, 7/30/08, Steve Sabram wrote:

> From: Steve Sabram
> Subject: Re: [msp430] My car hit a tree.
> To: m...@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 9:00 PM
> More like you hit the tree via your car. Let's get the
> responsibility
> right here.
>
> old_cow_yellow wrote:
> >
> > I drive my car from home to a shopping center often,
> and never had any
> > problem.
> >
> > I also drive my car to work often, and never had any
> problem either.
> >
> > Yesterday I drove it from work to the shopping center,
> and it hit a
> > tree. What is wrong with it?
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------



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Hi guys,

A couple of months ago I experienced something similar when working with a
MSP430F1232 and a serial graphic LCD. Hardware seemed to be the culprit as
sometimes I had the intended characters received by the LCD and sometimes
nothing would be printed on screen. After several days of testing I was
certain the hardware was not the problem, so I re-examined my code. Same
with it, so I decided to set up a very simple test that involved connecting
the MSP430 board to the serial LCD and a PC running Docklight at the same
time. I discovered the characters were being transmitted correctly from the
microcontroller, but sometimes failed to materialize at the LCD . I inserted
a delay between character transmission in the microcontroller's code
and.viola.

Maybe you can use a similar approach to solve your problem.

Good luck!

Pablo

De: m...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:m...@yahoogroups.com] En nombre de Mido
Enviado el: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 6:20 PM
Para: m...@yahoogroups.com
Asunto: [msp430] RE: [] RE: [] Re: Sending a Carriage Return!

Hey there,

I do not understand why you are calling me "snotty"?

When the BT chip is connected to a PC via a serial cable, it can send and
receive all characters including the carriage return. Hence, there should be
no problem with the BT chip.

When the MSP is connected to a PC via a serial cable, it can send and
receive all characters including the carriage return. Hence, there should be
no problem with the program.

By the way, if you had read my initial email, you would know that there are
neither Bluetooth drivers involved, nor Bluetooth link being established.
The Bluetooth chip is connected to the MSP via a serial connection.

Regards.

From: m...@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:m...@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf
Of
Onestone
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 6:58 PM
To: m...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [msp430] RE: [] Re: Sending a Carriage Return!

Well don't just tell everybody what it isn't and providse no other
information. If the PC to MSP direct connection works correctly and the
PC to Bluetooth to MSP
doesn't then the fault lies in the bluetooth OR the code that
communicates with it or the harware set up. Since my batteries are low
and my telepresence skills reduced as a reslt perhaps you kmight try
tsting a few things yourself . Assuming that all othger data gets
through both directions this isn't a hardware issue so check the MSP
side of the code, and next time somebody tries to help you don't be so
snotty. read my post I said bluetooth or its drivers. that applies to
either end. There are no other choices if the MSP is good, the PC is
good and the bluetooth causes problems the falt lies in the bluetooth
link somewhere.

Mido wrote:

>Well, the Bluetooth chip receives and reacts to the carriage return
>correctly, if they are sent by a PC!
>
>Hence, it is not a problem with the bluetooth chip!
>
>Regards.
>
>From: m...@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:m...@yahoogroups.com
] On Behalf
Of
>Onestone
>Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 5:42 PM
>To: m...@yahoogroups.com

>Subject: Re: [msp430] Re: Sending a Carriage Return!
>
>Sounds to me like there is a filter on the bluetooth chip that possibly
>blocks control characters, try sending 08H (backspace or BELL) or a
>simple 0AH for newline without the carriage return. If these work in
>direct connect but not on the bluettoth then either the bluetooth
>transmitter, or the bluettoth driver likely is set up to filter command
>codes (anything with a code less than 20H)
>
>Al
>
>mmmew wrote:
>
>>I've already tried that many times, and in all possible combinations.
>>No luck so far :(
>>
>>--- In m...@yahoogroups.com

, Thanh
>Tran wrote:
>>>I would try playing with '\r' '\n' and maybe changing their orders
>>>
>>>Thanh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----
>>>From: mmmew
>>>To: m...@yahoogroups.com


>>>Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 6:10:45 PM
>>>Subject: [msp430] Sending a Carriage Return!
>>>
>>>
>>>Dear All,
>>>
>>>I've a blue tooth transceiver connected to the RS-232 of a
>>>MSP430FG4618/ F2013 Experimenter Board via null modem and a male-male
>>>connector.
>>>
>>>The MSP430 program sends commands to the blue tooth chip via UART.
>>>However, the MSP430 fails to deliver the carriage return (). When
>>>I connect the MSP430 to a PC it works fine.
>>>
>>>Does anybody have a related experience?
>>>
>>>Regards.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------------
>>
>>





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Why not do an engneering analysis of this. You state:_

1. that you regularly drive your car to work, and have never had a
problem with the tree on previous occasions.

2. that you regularly drive your car to the shopping centre and have
never had any problems either.

3. On the occasion of yesterday you drove from work to the shopping
centre, a previously undocumented route.

Thus, without making undue assumptions, one could readily determine that
the possible causes for the collision are:-

A. The new route, being unfamiliar, and of different appearance confused
the car, thus causing it to become lost and forget the position of the tree.

B. Approaching the tree from a different direction surprised the tree,
causing it to panic aND THUS ATTACK THE CAR.

C. The car was ticked off at having to deviate from its normal routine
and intentionally attacked the tree. (Note that this only applies if
this was an American, italian or French car, since all of these are
known to be tempermental, whereas german cars are unemotional and asian
cars too boring.)

D. Sub consciously you didn't want to shop, having just completed a hard
day at work, so took your anger out on the poor innocent tree, though
this implies a severe lack of personal morals, since the car became
innocent collateral damage in the process.

Al

old_cow_yellow wrote:

>I drive my car from home to a shopping center often, and never had any
>problem.
>
>I also drive my car to work often, and never had any problem either.
>
>Yesterday I drove it from work to the shopping center, and it hit a
>tree. What is wrong with it?
>------------------------------------



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In the paragraph started with "1.", you mis-quoted me. I did not say
"with the tree on previous occasions." I may have never seen "the
tree" before.

In the paragraph started with "C.", you forgot some possibilities. The
car may be an expensive German car and was ticked off by the cheap
tree not yielding and stay out of the way. It may be a Chinese car
that has never seen any live tree before. (Imported lumber look very
different from a tree.)

--- In m...@yahoogroups.com, Onestone wrote:
>
> Why not do an engneering analysis of this. You state:_
>
> 1. that you regularly drive your car to work, and have never had a
> problem with the tree on previous occasions.
>
> 2. that you regularly drive your car to the shopping centre and have
> never had any problems either.
>
> 3. On the occasion of yesterday you drove from work to the shopping
> centre, a previously undocumented route.
>
> Thus, without making undue assumptions, one could readily determine
that
> the possible causes for the collision are:-
>
> A. The new route, being unfamiliar, and of different appearance
confused
> the car, thus causing it to become lost and forget the position of
the tree.
>
> B. Approaching the tree from a different direction surprised the tree,
> causing it to panic aND THUS ATTACK THE CAR.
>
> C. The car was ticked off at having to deviate from its normal routine
> and intentionally attacked the tree. (Note that this only applies if
> this was an American, italian or French car, since all of these are
> known to be tempermental, whereas german cars are unemotional and asian
> cars too boring.)
>
> D. Sub consciously you didn't want to shop, having just completed a
hard
> day at work, so took your anger out on the poor innocent tree, though
> this implies a severe lack of personal morals, since the car became
> innocent collateral damage in the process.
>
> Al
>
> old_cow_yellow wrote:
>
> >I drive my car from home to a shopping center often, and never had any
> >problem.
> >
> >I also drive my car to work often, and never had any problem either.
> >
> >Yesterday I drove it from work to the shopping center, and it hit a
> >tree. What is wrong with it?
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >



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Ah, you spotted the assumption I made! However this was not a design
issue and based on knowledge of tree growth, i would suggest that the
tree must have been in situ for a minimum of 1 year, as prior to this it
is not a tree but at best a sappling, such that you might reasonably
have been expected to observe the tree on one of your 'often' visits.
Had you never seen the tree previously this would indicate chronic,
repeated, dangerous inattention whilst driving, and brings in to
question your suitability as a licensed driver. Thus knowing from your
previous posts here that you appear to be a rationale and responsible
person it seems highly unlikley that you had been so distracted on all
previous occasions to have never seen the tree before, thus the
assunmption of your prior knowledge of the tree is the most reasonable
course to take.

Al

old_cow_yellow wrote:

>In the paragraph started with "1.", you mis-quoted me. I did not say
>"with the tree on previous occasions." I may have never seen "the
>tree" before.
>
>In the paragraph started with "C.", you forgot some possibilities. The
>car may be an expensive German car and was ticked off by the cheap
>tree not yielding and stay out of the way. It may be a Chinese car
>that has never seen any live tree before. (Imported lumber look very
>different from a tree.)
>
>--- In m...@yahoogroups.com, Onestone wrote:
>
>
>>Why not do an engneering analysis of this. You state:_
>>
>>1. that you regularly drive your car to work, and have never had a
>>problem with the tree on previous occasions.
>>
>>2. that you regularly drive your car to the shopping centre and have
>>never had any problems either.
>>
>>3. On the occasion of yesterday you drove from work to the shopping
>>centre, a previously undocumented route.
>>
>>Thus, without making undue assumptions, one could readily determine
>>
>>
>that
>
>
>>the possible causes for the collision are:-
>>
>>A. The new route, being unfamiliar, and of different appearance
>>
>>
>confused
>
>
>>the car, thus causing it to become lost and forget the position of
>>
>>
>the tree.
>
>
>>B. Approaching the tree from a different direction surprised the tree,
>>causing it to panic aND THUS ATTACK THE CAR.
>>
>>C. The car was ticked off at having to deviate from its normal routine
>>and intentionally attacked the tree. (Note that this only applies if
>>this was an American, italian or French car, since all of these are
>>known to be tempermental, whereas german cars are unemotional and asian
>>cars too boring.)
>>
>>D. Sub consciously you didn't want to shop, having just completed a
>>
>>
>hard
>
>
>>day at work, so took your anger out on the poor innocent tree, though
>>this implies a severe lack of personal morals, since the car became
>>innocent collateral damage in the process.
>>
>>Al
>>
>>old_cow_yellow wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I drive my car from home to a shopping center often, and never had any
>>>problem.
>>>
>>>I also drive my car to work often, and never had any problem either.
>>>
>>>Yesterday I drove it from work to the shopping center, and it hit a
>>>tree. What is wrong with it?
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>



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Let me cast out the mote out of thine eye.

"The tree" is somewhere along the route from the place I work to the
place I shop. I never took this route before yesterday.

--- In m...@yahoogroups.com, Onestone wrote:
>
> Ah, you spotted the assumption I made! However this was not a design
> issue and based on knowledge of tree growth, i would suggest that the
> tree must have been in situ for a minimum of 1 year, as prior to
this it
> is not a tree but at best a sappling, such that you might reasonably
> have been expected to observe the tree on one of your 'often' visits.
> Had you never seen the tree previously this would indicate chronic,
> repeated, dangerous inattention whilst driving, and brings in to
> question your suitability as a licensed driver. Thus knowing from your
> previous posts here that you appear to be a rationale and responsible
> person it seems highly unlikley that you had been so distracted on all
> previous occasions to have never seen the tree before, thus the
> assunmption of your prior knowledge of the tree is the most reasonable
> course to take.
>
> Al
>
> old_cow_yellow wrote:
>
> >In the paragraph started with "1.", you mis-quoted me. I did not say
> >"with the tree on previous occasions." I may have never seen "the
> >tree" before.
> >
> >In the paragraph started with "C.", you forgot some possibilities. The
> >car may be an expensive German car and was ticked off by the cheap
> >tree not yielding and stay out of the way. It may be a Chinese car
> >that has never seen any live tree before. (Imported lumber look very
> >different from a tree.)
> >
> >--- In m...@yahoogroups.com, Onestone wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Why not do an engneering analysis of this. You state:_
> >>
> >>1. that you regularly drive your car to work, and have never had a
> >>problem with the tree on previous occasions.
> >>
> >>2. that you regularly drive your car to the shopping centre and have
> >>never had any problems either.
> >>
> >>3. On the occasion of yesterday you drove from work to the shopping
> >>centre, a previously undocumented route.
> >>
> >>Thus, without making undue assumptions, one could readily determine
> >>
> >>
> >that
> >
> >
> >>the possible causes for the collision are:-
> >>
> >>A. The new route, being unfamiliar, and of different appearance
> >>
> >>
> >confused
> >
> >
> >>the car, thus causing it to become lost and forget the position of
> >>
> >>
> >the tree.
> >
> >
> >>B. Approaching the tree from a different direction surprised the
tree,
> >>causing it to panic aND THUS ATTACK THE CAR.
> >>
> >>C. The car was ticked off at having to deviate from its normal
routine
> >>and intentionally attacked the tree. (Note that this only applies if
> >>this was an American, italian or French car, since all of these are
> >>known to be tempermental, whereas german cars are unemotional and
asian
> >>cars too boring.)
> >>
> >>D. Sub consciously you didn't want to shop, having just completed a
> >>
> >>
> >hard
> >
> >
> >>day at work, so took your anger out on the poor innocent tree, though
> >>this implies a severe lack of personal morals, since the car became
> >>innocent collateral damage in the process.
> >>
> >>Al
> >>
> >>old_cow_yellow wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>I drive my car from home to a shopping center often, and never
had any
> >>>problem.
> >>>
> >>>I also drive my car to work often, and never had any problem either.
> >>>
> >>>Yesterday I drove it from work to the shopping center, and it hit a
> >>>tree. What is wrong with it?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>



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There might be an other assumption. That the tree hit the car and not viceversa . Much like the famed Newtonian apple. If this holds true, then the driver is absolved of all sins :)
Without Wax,
BB

--- On Fri, 8/1/08, Onestone wrote:

> From: Onestone
> Subject: Re: [msp430] Re: My car hit a tree.
> To: m...@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 12:19 AM
> Ah, you spotted the assumption I made! However this was not
> a design
> issue and based on knowledge of tree growth, i would
> suggest that the
> tree must have been in situ for a minimum of 1 year, as
> prior to this it
> is not a tree but at best a sappling, such that you might
> reasonably
> have been expected to observe the tree on one of your
> 'often' visits.
> Had you never seen the tree previously this would indicate
> chronic,
> repeated, dangerous inattention whilst driving, and brings
> in to
> question your suitability as a licensed driver. Thus
> knowing from your
> previous posts here that you appear to be a rationale and
> responsible
> person it seems highly unlikley that you had been so
> distracted on all
> previous occasions to have never seen the tree before, thus
> the
> assunmption of your prior knowledge of the tree is the most
> reasonable
> course to take.
>
> Al
>
> old_cow_yellow wrote:
>
> >In the paragraph started with "1.", you
> mis-quoted me. I did not say
> >"with the tree on previous occasions." I may
> have never seen "the
> >tree" before.
> >
> >In the paragraph started with "C.", you
> forgot some possibilities. The
> >car may be an expensive German car and was ticked off
> by the cheap
> >tree not yielding and stay out of the way. It may be a
> Chinese car
> >that has never seen any live tree before. (Imported
> lumber look very
> >different from a tree.)
> >
> >--- In m...@yahoogroups.com, Onestone
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Why not do an engneering analysis of this. You
> state:_
> >>
> >>1. that you regularly drive your car to work, and
> have never had a
> >>problem with the tree on previous occasions.
> >>
> >>2. that you regularly drive your car to the
> shopping centre and have
> >>never had any problems either.
> >>
> >>3. On the occasion of yesterday you drove from work
> to the shopping
> >>centre, a previously undocumented route.
> >>
> >>Thus, without making undue assumptions, one could
> readily determine
> >>
> >>
> >that
> >
> >
> >>the possible causes for the collision are:-
> >>
> >>A. The new route, being unfamiliar, and of
> different appearance
> >>
> >>
> >confused
> >
> >
> >>the car, thus causing it to become lost and forget
> the position of
> >>
> >>
> >the tree.
> >
> >
> >>B. Approaching the tree from a different direction
> surprised the tree,
> >>causing it to panic aND THUS ATTACK THE CAR.
> >>
> >>C. The car was ticked off at having to deviate from
> its normal routine
> >>and intentionally attacked the tree. (Note that
> this only applies if
> >>this was an American, italian or French car, since
> all of these are
> >>known to be tempermental, whereas german cars are
> unemotional and asian
> >>cars too boring.)
> >>
> >>D. Sub consciously you didn't want to shop,
> having just completed a
> >>
> >>
> >hard
> >
> >
> >>day at work, so took your anger out on the poor
> innocent tree, though
> >>this implies a severe lack of personal morals,
> since the car became
> >>innocent collateral damage in the process.
> >>
> >>Al
> >>
> >>old_cow_yellow wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>I drive my car from home to a shopping center
> often, and never had any
> >>>problem.
> >>>
> >>>I also drive my car to work often, and never
> had any problem either.
> >>>
> >>>Yesterday I drove it from work to the shopping
> center, and it hit a
> >>>tree. What is wrong with it?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>



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