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XP and CABLE12 - Bob White - Dec 3 14:32:00 2002

My computer broke so I got a new one. Dell only sells with XP or 2000 now,
so I'm stuck with a new issue of XP Pro. I'm using a P&E CABLE12 and now I
can't talk to it (using Metrowerks debugger). I tried all the (cmos) SETUP
drivers, which choices are limited to AT, P/S2, EPP, ECP, and OFF. AT and
ECP would talk, but would lose the connection after about 3 seconds.

Any clues how to use CABLE12 with XP Pro? It worked fine under 98 SE.

Thanks,
Bob White






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Re: XP and CABLE12 - Andrei Chichak - Dec 3 14:45:00 2002

At 11:32 AM 12/3/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>My computer broke so I got a new one. Dell only sells with XP or 2000 now,
>so I'm stuck with a new issue of XP Pro. I'm using a P&E CABLE12 and now I
>can't talk to it (using Metrowerks debugger). I tried all the (cmos) SETUP
>drivers, which choices are limited to AT, P/S2, EPP, ECP, and OFF. AT and
>ECP would talk, but would lose the connection after about 3 seconds.
>
>Any clues how to use CABLE12 with XP Pro? It worked fine under 98 SE.
There might be something particular to these choices that I don't know
about but...

Install 98 or get a serial BDM like Motorola's SDI.

People on the 68332 list are having the same problems with "upgrades". XP
is based on NT, as is 2000. 98, like 95 is based on DOS. DOS lets you get
at the parallel port directly. NT puts a big roadblock in the way called
the hardware abstraction layer.

It could be worse, you might have gotten a "legacy free" computer, no
parallel, no serial. Since Bill is wagging the dog these days, it is time
for a standard interface using USB.

Andrei

>Thanks,
>Bob White




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Re: XP and CABLE12 - Bob White - Dec 3 15:50:00 2002

I got a kick out of seeing the parallel port listed under the Legacy section
of the cmos SETUP. I wondered what that meant.

I just called P&E and they told me that XP isn't the problem. Dell is.
They use a new not-in-spec-but-common low voltage parallel port. I can fix
the problem by installing a PCI parallel port or upgrading to the CABLE12
Rev. E. All of a sudden that sounds familiar. I imagine that the P&E
CABLE12 Rev. F will be USB, but let's not start a rumor here.

Bob White ----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrei Chichak" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [68HC12] XP and CABLE12 At 11:32 AM 12/3/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>My computer broke so I got a new one. Dell only sells with XP or 2000 now,
>so I'm stuck with a new issue of XP Pro. I'm using a P&E CABLE12 and now I
>can't talk to it (using Metrowerks debugger). I tried all the (cmos) SETUP
>drivers, which choices are limited to AT, P/S2, EPP, ECP, and OFF. AT and
>ECP would talk, but would lose the connection after about 3 seconds.
>
>Any clues how to use CABLE12 with XP Pro? It worked fine under 98 SE.
There might be something particular to these choices that I don't know
about but...

Install 98 or get a serial BDM like Motorola's SDI.

People on the 68332 list are having the same problems with "upgrades". XP
is based on NT, as is 2000. 98, like 95 is based on DOS. DOS lets you get
at the parallel port directly. NT puts a big roadblock in the way called
the hardware abstraction layer.

It could be worse, you might have gotten a "legacy free" computer, no
parallel, no serial. Since Bill is wagging the dog these days, it is time
for a standard interface using USB.

Andrei

>Thanks,
>Bob White
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Re: XP and CABLE12 - Author Unknown - Dec 3 16:20:00 2002

Go to control panel, system settings applet, Select hardware tab then
Device Manager, Then locate ports and find the parallel port and right
click, then pick port settings and in the Filter Resource Method radio box
select Use any interrupt assigned to the port. Please note that PCI
parallel ports under XP cannot use standard parallel port address
therefore alot of hardware that need parallel ports will only work with a
parallel port built in the mother board. I tried to locate a pci card
that could under XP and was unable to do so. (I wanted two standard
parallel ports so I do risk destroying a Wind River emulator for a
different product that requires its own power and can be destroyed or
damage your parallel port if is not powered down in a specific sequence.

Rod Niner "Bob White" <>
12/03/2002 02:32 PM
Please respond to 68HC12 To: <>
cc:
Subject: [68HC12] XP and CABLE12 My computer broke so I got a new one. Dell only sells with XP or 2000
now,
so I'm stuck with a new issue of XP Pro. I'm using a P&E CABLE12 and now
I
can't talk to it (using Metrowerks debugger). I tried all the (cmos)
SETUP
drivers, which choices are limited to AT, P/S2, EPP, ECP, and OFF. AT and
ECP would talk, but would lose the connection after about 3 seconds.

Any clues how to use CABLE12 with XP Pro? It worked fine under 98 SE.

Thanks,
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Re: XP and CABLE12 - James M. Knox - Dec 3 16:55:00 2002

At 12:45 PM 12/3/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>Install 98 or get a serial BDM like Motorola's SDI.
>
>People on the 68332 list are having the same problems with "upgrades". XP
>is based on NT, as is 2000. 98, like 95 is based on DOS. DOS lets you get
>at the parallel port directly. NT puts a big roadblock in the way called
>the hardware abstraction layer.

There is a small driver called "Givesys" or something like that, available
from P&E and elsewhere, that allows the P&E parallel port BDM to work with
NT. It **might** work with XP as well. [Don't know anyone who has tried
it, unless P&E has.]

I also have a (very) vague recollection that there is a way to "remove" a
parallel or serial port from XP's control. Supposed to be for situations
like this. Will it work with P&E? No idea.

jmk -----------------------------------------------
James M. Knox
TriSoft ph 512-385-0316
1109-A Shady Lane fax 512-366-4331
Austin, Tx 78721
-----------------------------------------------



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RE: XP and CABLE12 - Paul Johnson - Dec 3 17:17:00 2002

This tallies with my experience, although I have been able to use even my
older Cable 12 with XP by setting the parallel port to ECP on my Sony Vaio
notebook. Now if this notebook only had a serial port!

Paul Johnson

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob White [mailto:]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 12:51 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [68HC12] XP and CABLE12 > I got a kick out of seeing the parallel port listed under the
> Legacy section
> of the cmos SETUP. I wondered what that meant.
>
> I just called P&E and they told me that XP isn't the problem. Dell is.
> They use a new not-in-spec-but-common low voltage parallel port.
> I can fix
> the problem by installing a PCI parallel port or upgrading to the CABLE12
> Rev. E. All of a sudden that sounds familiar. I imagine that the P&E
> CABLE12 Rev. F will be USB, but let's not start a rumor here.
>
> Bob White > ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrei Chichak" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 11:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [68HC12] XP and CABLE12 > At 11:32 AM 12/3/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> >My computer broke so I got a new one. Dell only sells with XP
> or 2000 now,
> >so I'm stuck with a new issue of XP Pro. I'm using a P&E
> CABLE12 and now I
> >can't talk to it (using Metrowerks debugger). I tried all the
> (cmos) SETUP
> >drivers, which choices are limited to AT, P/S2, EPP, ECP, and
> OFF. AT and
> >ECP would talk, but would lose the connection after about 3 seconds.
> >
> >Any clues how to use CABLE12 with XP Pro? It worked fine under 98 SE.
> There might be something particular to these choices that I don't know
> about but...
>
> Install 98 or get a serial BDM like Motorola's SDI.
>
> People on the 68332 list are having the same problems with "upgrades". XP
> is based on NT, as is 2000. 98, like 95 is based on DOS. DOS lets you get
> at the parallel port directly. NT puts a big roadblock in the way called
> the hardware abstraction layer.
>
> It could be worse, you might have gotten a "legacy free" computer, no
> parallel, no serial. Since Bill is wagging the dog these days, it is time
> for a standard interface using USB.
>
> Andrei
>
> >Thanks,
> >Bob White >
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Re: XP and CABLE12 - Robert Smith - Dec 4 5:38:00 2002

Paul --

I also have a Gateway desktop computer the came complete without any serial
ports. Plenty of those funny little USB connections though.

Try the BAFO BF-810 USB to Serial port adaptor cable. Available from Dalco
(real nice folks to do business with) http://www.dalco.com their P/N 67784
currently listed at about US$20.00.

It consists of a 6 foot USB AB cable and a wart with a DB-9 male plug on the
end. It is configured DTE and plugs right in to any serial device
configured DCE. Looks just like a real serial port with a straight through
cable. (A DB-25 version is also available).

It took a little hair-pulling to get the drivers installed on W2K Pro
correctly, but once running it behaves like a real PNP (Plug and Pray)
device and looks like a real serial port. Even handles breaks correctly!

Bob Smith
--- Avoid computer viruses, Practice safe hex ---

-- Specializing in small, cost effective
embedded control systems -- Robert L. (Bob) Smith
Smith Machine Works, Inc.
9900 Lumlay Road
Richmond, VA 23236 804/745-1065
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Johnson" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 5:17 PM
Subject: RE: [68HC12] XP and CABLE12 > This tallies with my experience, although I have been able to use even my
> older Cable 12 with XP by setting the parallel port to ECP on my Sony Vaio
> notebook. Now if this notebook only had a serial port!
>
> Paul Johnson
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bob White [mailto:]
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 12:51 PM
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: [68HC12] XP and CABLE12
> >
> >
> > I got a kick out of seeing the parallel port listed under the
> > Legacy section
> > of the cmos SETUP. I wondered what that meant.
> >
> > I just called P&E and they told me that XP isn't the problem. Dell is.
> > They use a new not-in-spec-but-common low voltage parallel port.
> > I can fix
> > the problem by installing a PCI parallel port or upgrading to the
CABLE12
> > Rev. E. All of a sudden that sounds familiar. I imagine that the P&E
> > CABLE12 Rev. F will be USB, but let's not start a rumor here.
> >
> > Bob White
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andrei Chichak" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 11:45 AM
> > Subject: Re: [68HC12] XP and CABLE12
> >
> >
> > At 11:32 AM 12/3/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> > >My computer broke so I got a new one. Dell only sells with XP
> > or 2000 now,
> > >so I'm stuck with a new issue of XP Pro. I'm using a P&E
> > CABLE12 and now I
> > >can't talk to it (using Metrowerks debugger). I tried all the
> > (cmos) SETUP
> > >drivers, which choices are limited to AT, P/S2, EPP, ECP, and
> > OFF. AT and
> > >ECP would talk, but would lose the connection after about 3 seconds.
> > >
> > >Any clues how to use CABLE12 with XP Pro? It worked fine under 98 SE.
> > There might be something particular to these choices that I don't know
> > about but...
> >
> > Install 98 or get a serial BDM like Motorola's SDI.
> >
> > People on the 68332 list are having the same problems with "upgrades".
XP
> > is based on NT, as is 2000. 98, like 95 is based on DOS. DOS lets you
get
> > at the parallel port directly. NT puts a big roadblock in the way called
> > the hardware abstraction layer.
> >
> > It could be worse, you might have gotten a "legacy free" computer, no
> > parallel, no serial. Since Bill is wagging the dog these days, it is
time
> > for a standard interface using USB.
> >
> > Andrei
> >
> > >Thanks,
> > >Bob White
> >
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> >
> >
> > To learn more about Motorola Microcontrollers, please visit
> > http://www.motorola.com/mcu
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: XP and CABLE12 - Dr. David A. Perreault - Dec 4 8:12:00 2002

Bob

1. You should be using the AT (Standard) mode for the parallel port.
2. Make sure you have Adminstrative privaledge when installing the
Metrowerks SW. With P&E's Debuggers and Programmers, this is necessary
to install the Parallel Port Driver. I assume Metrowerks requires the same.

Regards
Dave Perreault

Bob White wrote:

>My computer broke so I got a new one. Dell only sells with XP or 2000 now,
>so I'm stuck with a new issue of XP Pro. I'm using a P&E CABLE12 and now I
>can't talk to it (using Metrowerks debugger). I tried all the (cmos) SETUP
>drivers, which choices are limited to AT, P/S2, EPP, ECP, and OFF. AT and
>ECP would talk, but would lose the connection after about 3 seconds.
>
>Any clues how to use CABLE12 with XP Pro? It worked fine under 98 SE.
>
>Thanks,
>Bob White >--------------------------------------------------------
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>http://www.motorola.com/mcu



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RE: XP and CABLE12 - Paul Johnson - Dec 4 15:53:00 2002

Hi Bob,

Yeah, I found a USB<=>Serial adaptor at my local Frys Electronics. It was
about $40, but it installed and runs flawlessly under XP. A lot cheaper
than the $200 port adaptor that Sony wants to sell me.

Regards,

Paul

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Smith [mailto:]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 2:39 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [68HC12] XP and CABLE12 > Paul --
>
> I also have a Gateway desktop computer the came complete without
> any serial
> ports. Plenty of those funny little USB connections though.
>
> Try the BAFO BF-810 USB to Serial port adaptor cable. Available
> from Dalco
> (real nice folks to do business with) http://www.dalco.com
> their P/N 67784
> currently listed at about US$20.00.
>
> It consists of a 6 foot USB AB cable and a wart with a DB-9 male
> plug on the
> end. It is configured DTE and plugs right in to any serial device
> configured DCE. Looks just like a real serial port with a
> straight through
> cable. (A DB-25 version is also available).
>
> It took a little hair-pulling to get the drivers installed on W2K Pro
> correctly, but once running it behaves like a real PNP (Plug and Pray)
> device and looks like a real serial port. Even handles breaks correctly!
>
> Bob Smith >
> --- Avoid computer viruses, Practice safe hex ---
>
> -- Specializing in small, cost effective
> embedded control systems -- > Robert L. (Bob) Smith
> Smith Machine Works, Inc.
> 9900 Lumlay Road
> Richmond, VA 23236 804/745-1065 >
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Johnson" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 5:17 PM
> Subject: RE: [68HC12] XP and CABLE12 > > This tallies with my experience, although I have been able to
> use even my
> > older Cable 12 with XP by setting the parallel port to ECP on
> my Sony Vaio
> > notebook. Now if this notebook only had a serial port!
> >
> > Paul Johnson
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Bob White [mailto:]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 12:51 PM
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: [68HC12] XP and CABLE12
> > >
> > >
> > > I got a kick out of seeing the parallel port listed under the
> > > Legacy section
> > > of the cmos SETUP. I wondered what that meant.
> > >
> > > I just called P&E and they told me that XP isn't the problem.
> Dell is.
> > > They use a new not-in-spec-but-common low voltage parallel port.
> > > I can fix
> > > the problem by installing a PCI parallel port or upgrading to the
> CABLE12
> > > Rev. E. All of a sudden that sounds familiar. I imagine that the P&E
> > > CABLE12 Rev. F will be USB, but let's not start a rumor here.
> > >
> > > Bob White
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Andrei Chichak" <>
> > > To: <>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 11:45 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [68HC12] XP and CABLE12
> > >
> > >
> > > At 11:32 AM 12/3/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> > > >My computer broke so I got a new one. Dell only sells with XP
> > > or 2000 now,
> > > >so I'm stuck with a new issue of XP Pro. I'm using a P&E
> > > CABLE12 and now I
> > > >can't talk to it (using Metrowerks debugger). I tried all the
> > > (cmos) SETUP
> > > >drivers, which choices are limited to AT, P/S2, EPP, ECP, and
> > > OFF. AT and
> > > >ECP would talk, but would lose the connection after about 3 seconds.
> > > >
> > > >Any clues how to use CABLE12 with XP Pro? It worked fine
> under 98 SE.
> > > There might be something particular to these choices that I don't know
> > > about but...
> > >
> > > Install 98 or get a serial BDM like Motorola's SDI.
> > >
> > > People on the 68332 list are having the same problems with "upgrades".
> XP
> > > is based on NT, as is 2000. 98, like 95 is based on DOS. DOS lets you
> get
> > > at the parallel port directly. NT puts a big roadblock in the
> way called
> > > the hardware abstraction layer.
> > >
> > > It could be worse, you might have gotten a "legacy free" computer, no
> > > parallel, no serial. Since Bill is wagging the dog these days, it is
> time
> > > for a standard interface using USB.
> > >
> > > Andrei
> > >
> > > >Thanks,
> > > >Bob White
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --------------------------------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > >
> > >
> > > To learn more about Motorola Microcontrollers, please visit
> > > http://www.motorola.com/mcu
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --------------------------------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > >
> > >
> > > To learn more about Motorola Microcontrollers, please visit
> > > http://www.motorola.com/mcu
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: XP and CABLE12 - Francois - Dec 4 16:35:00 2002

Hi,

Related to HC12 development tools. I seems that the Mr. Gates would like to
abandon legacy ports for USB/FireWire(courticy MAC).

So this beggs the question, whats gona happen to all those millions of RS232
devices out in the field, especially industrial environments where things
stay pretty passive for long periods.

A PalmPilot or handheld PC might be a nice way of configuring field devices,
collecting data etc. However it seems like the support for RS232
connectivity (wired) seems to be very unlikely in the near future on these
devices.

On the other hand it seems like well known name brands for PC boxes seem to
exclude legacy ports-since most households just wanna surf the net (I
guess). In the case of clone PC mother boards, it seems like the support
seems to be pretty much in tact for legacy ports. In fact, one of the new
chipsets for the P4 processor has provision for legacy ports - (including
the AT101 keyboard mind you)

USB seems so awkward as a replacement for RS232. Most micros comes packed
with at least a UART, so are the micros gonna ship with USB peripherals no??

What does the list think?




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RE: XP and CABLE12 - Andrei Chichak - Dec 4 16:36:00 2002

Remember, the original question was about parallel, not serial. I have
heard (a pound of salt please) that USB -> parallel does not give you the
same programmatic interface as a bus mounted parallel due to the USB layer.
Even given giveio, you will not have the direct control of the parallel
port because you can't get at the port bits.

It works great for printers that speak bytes, but not for BDMs.

Somebody please tell me I am wrong.

Andrei

At 12:53 PM 12/4/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>Hi Bob,
>
>Yeah, I found a USB<=>Serial adaptor at my local Frys Electronics. It was
>about $40, but it installed and runs flawlessly under XP. A lot cheaper
>than the $200 port adaptor that Sony wants to sell me.
>
>Regards,
>
>Paul
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robert Smith [mailto:]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 2:39 AM
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: [68HC12] XP and CABLE12
> >
> >
> > Paul --
> >
> > I also have a Gateway desktop computer the came complete without
> > any serial
> > ports. Plenty of those funny little USB connections though.
> >
> > Try the BAFO BF-810 USB to Serial port adaptor cable. Available
> > from Dalco
> > (real nice folks to do business with) http://www.dalco.com
> > their P/N 67784
> > currently listed at about US$20.00.
> >
> > It consists of a 6 foot USB AB cable and a wart with a DB-9 male
> > plug on the
> > end. It is configured DTE and plugs right in to any serial device
> > configured DCE. Looks just like a real serial port with a
> > straight through
> > cable. (A DB-25 version is also available).
> >
> > It took a little hair-pulling to get the drivers installed on W2K Pro
> > correctly, but once running it behaves like a real PNP (Plug and Pray)
> > device and looks like a real serial port. Even handles breaks correctly!
> >
> > Bob Smith
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Avoid computer viruses, Practice safe hex ---
> >
> > -- Specializing in small, cost effective
> > embedded control systems --
> >
> >
> > Robert L. (Bob) Smith
> > Smith Machine Works, Inc.
> > 9900 Lumlay Road
> > Richmond, VA 23236 804/745-1065
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul Johnson" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 5:17 PM
> > Subject: RE: [68HC12] XP and CABLE12
> >
> >
> > > This tallies with my experience, although I have been able to
> > use even my
> > > older Cable 12 with XP by setting the parallel port to ECP on
> > my Sony Vaio
> > > notebook. Now if this notebook only had a serial port!
> > >
> > > Paul Johnson
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Bob White [mailto:]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 12:51 PM
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: [68HC12] XP and CABLE12
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I got a kick out of seeing the parallel port listed under the
> > > > Legacy section
> > > > of the cmos SETUP. I wondered what that meant.
> > > >
> > > > I just called P&E and they told me that XP isn't the problem.
> > Dell is.
> > > > They use a new not-in-spec-but-common low voltage parallel port.
> > > > I can fix
> > > > the problem by installing a PCI parallel port or upgrading to the
> > CABLE12
> > > > Rev. E. All of a sudden that sounds familiar. I imagine that the P&E
> > > > CABLE12 Rev. F will be USB, but let's not start a rumor here.
> > > >
> > > > Bob White
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Andrei Chichak" <>
> > > > To: <>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 11:45 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [68HC12] XP and CABLE12
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 11:32 AM 12/3/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> > > > >My computer broke so I got a new one. Dell only sells with XP
> > > > or 2000 now,
> > > > >so I'm stuck with a new issue of XP Pro. I'm using a P&E
> > > > CABLE12 and now I
> > > > >can't talk to it (using Metrowerks debugger). I tried all the
> > > > (cmos) SETUP
> > > > >drivers, which choices are limited to AT, P/S2, EPP, ECP, and
> > > > OFF. AT and
> > > > >ECP would talk, but would lose the connection after about 3 seconds.
> > > > >
> > > > >Any clues how to use CABLE12 with XP Pro? It worked fine
> > under 98 SE.
> > > > There might be something particular to these choices that I don't know
> > > > about but...
> > > >
> > > > Install 98 or get a serial BDM like Motorola's SDI.
> > > >
> > > > People on the 68332 list are having the same problems with "upgrades".
> > XP
> > > > is based on NT, as is 2000. 98, like 95 is based on DOS. DOS lets you
> > get
> > > > at the parallel port directly. NT puts a big roadblock in the
> > way called
> > > > the hardware abstraction layer.
> > > >
> > > > It could be worse, you might have gotten a "legacy free" computer, no
> > > > parallel, no serial. Since Bill is wagging the dog these days, it is
> > time
> > > > for a standard interface using USB.
> > > >
> > > > Andrei
> > > >
> > > > >Thanks,
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RE: XP and CABLE12 - Paul Johnson - Dec 4 18:33:00 2002

Yeah, we got off on a tangent.

Paul

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrei Chichak [mailto:]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 1:37 PM
> To:
> Subject: RE: [68HC12] XP and CABLE12 > Remember, the original question was about parallel, not serial. I have
> heard (a pound of salt please) that USB -> parallel does not give you the
> same programmatic interface as a bus mounted parallel due to the
> USB layer.
> Even given giveio, you will not have the direct control of the parallel
> port because you can't get at the port bits.
>
> It works great for printers that speak bytes, but not for BDMs.
>
> Somebody please tell me I am wrong.
>
> Andrei
>
> At 12:53 PM 12/4/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> >Hi Bob,
> >
> >Yeah, I found a USB<=>Serial adaptor at my local Frys
> Electronics. It was
> >about $40, but it installed and runs flawlessly under XP. A lot cheaper
> >than the $200 port adaptor that Sony wants to sell me.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Paul
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Robert Smith [mailto:]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 2:39 AM
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: [68HC12] XP and CABLE12
> > >
> > >
> > > Paul --
> > >
> > > I also have a Gateway desktop computer the came complete without
> > > any serial
> > > ports. Plenty of those funny little USB connections though.
> > >
> > > Try the BAFO BF-810 USB to Serial port adaptor cable. Available
> > > from Dalco
> > > (real nice folks to do business with) http://www.dalco.com
> > > their P/N 67784
> > > currently listed at about US$20.00.
> > >
> > > It consists of a 6 foot USB AB cable and a wart with a DB-9 male
> > > plug on the
> > > end. It is configured DTE and plugs right in to any serial device
> > > configured DCE. Looks just like a real serial port with a
> > > straight through
> > > cable. (A DB-25 version is also available).
> > >
> > > It took a little hair-pulling to get the drivers installed on W2K Pro
> > > correctly, but once running it behaves like a real PNP (Plug and Pray)
> > > device and looks like a real serial port. Even handles
> breaks correctly!
> > >
> > > Bob Smith
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Avoid computer viruses, Practice safe hex ---
> > >
> > > -- Specializing in small, cost effective
> > > embedded control systems --
> > >
> > >
> > > Robert L. (Bob) Smith
> > > Smith Machine Works, Inc.
> > > 9900 Lumlay Road
> > > Richmond, VA 23236 804/745-1065
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Paul Johnson" <>
> > > To: <>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 5:17 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [68HC12] XP and CABLE12
> > >
> > >
> > > > This tallies with my experience, although I have been able to
> > > use even my
> > > > older Cable 12 with XP by setting the parallel port to ECP on
> > > my Sony Vaio
> > > > notebook. Now if this notebook only had a serial port!
> > > >
> > > > Paul Johnson
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Bob White [mailto:]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 12:51 PM
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: Re: [68HC12] XP and CABLE12
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I got a kick out of seeing the parallel port listed under the
> > > > > Legacy section
> > > > > of the cmos SETUP. I wondered what that meant.
> > > > >
> > > > > I just called P&E and they told me that XP isn't the problem.
> > > Dell is.
> > > > > They use a new not-in-spec-but-common low voltage parallel port.
> > > > > I can fix
> > > > > the problem by installing a PCI parallel port or upgrading to the
> > > CABLE12
> > > > > Rev. E. All of a sudden that sounds familiar. I imagine
> that the P&E
> > > > > CABLE12 Rev. F will be USB, but let's not start a rumor here.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bob White
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Andrei Chichak" <>
> > > > > To: <>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 11:45 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [68HC12] XP and CABLE12
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > At 11:32 AM 12/3/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> > > > > >My computer broke so I got a new one. Dell only sells with XP
> > > > > or 2000 now,
> > > > > >so I'm stuck with a new issue of XP Pro. I'm using a P&E
> > > > > CABLE12 and now I
> > > > > >can't talk to it (using Metrowerks debugger). I tried all the
> > > > > (cmos) SETUP
> > > > > >drivers, which choices are limited to AT, P/S2, EPP, ECP, and
> > > > > OFF. AT and
> > > > > >ECP would talk, but would lose the connection after
> about 3 seconds.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Any clues how to use CABLE12 with XP Pro? It worked fine
> > > under 98 SE.
> > > > > There might be something particular to these choices that
> I don't know
> > > > > about but...
> > > > >
> > > > > Install 98 or get a serial BDM like Motorola's SDI.
> > > > >
> > > > > People on the 68332 list are having the same problems
> with "upgrades".
> > > XP
> > > > > is based on NT, as is 2000. 98, like 95 is based on DOS.
> DOS lets you
> > > get
> > > > > at the parallel port directly. NT puts a big roadblock in the
> > > way called
> > > > > the hardware abstraction layer.
> > > > >
> > > > > It could be worse, you might have gotten a "legacy free"
> computer, no
> > > > > parallel, no serial. Since Bill is wagging the dog these
> days, it is
> > > time
> > > > > for a standard interface using USB.
> > > > >
> > > > > Andrei
> > > > >
> > > > > >Thanks,
> > > > > >Bob White
> > > > >
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RE: XP and CABLE12 - Kellogg Dave - Dec 4 18:44:00 2002

A similar point: Due to the demise of legacy ports, we need to replace the
RS-232 port on our embedded product. Future Technology Devices
International (FTDI) has an interesting part (FT232BM) that talks serial out
one side and USB out the other. Does anyone have experience with this sort
of thing?

I also have found several "smart cables" that will do the same serial <-->
USB trick for US$20 - 30. Any experience here?

I'm concerned about the timing of the transfers, latencies, and the
difference between the byte-oriented nature of serial and the block-oriented
USB. I need a data "pipe" but I still need to care about the dynamics (ie,
timing) of how the data flows through the pipe.

Any thoughts? 607-656-2597 -----Original Message-----
From: Francois [mailto:]
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 4:36 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [68HC12] XP and CABLE12 Hi,

Related to HC12 development tools. I seems that the Mr. Gates would like to
abandon legacy ports for USB/FireWire(courticy MAC).

So this beggs the question, whats gona happen to all those millions of RS232
devices out in the field, especially industrial environments where things
stay pretty passive for long periods.

A PalmPilot or handheld PC might be a nice way of configuring field devices,
collecting data etc. However it seems like the support for RS232
connectivity (wired) seems to be very unlikely in the near future on these
devices.

On the other hand it seems like well known name brands for PC boxes seem to
exclude legacy ports-since most households just wanna surf the net (I
guess). In the case of clone PC mother boards, it seems like the support
seems to be pretty much in tact for legacy ports. In fact, one of the new
chipsets for the P4 processor has provision for legacy ports - (including
the AT101 keyboard mind you)

USB seems so awkward as a replacement for RS232. Most micros comes packed
with at least a UART, so are the micros gonna ship with USB peripherals no??

What does the list think?

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RE: XP and CABLE12 - Andrei Chichak - Dec 4 19:16:00 2002

From what I have read, the RS-232/USB stack is quite compatible with the
old way of doing things. A cheap hack would be to embed a USB/RS232
converter into your device and change nothing. When economics are good,
build it in properly.

Andrei

At 06:44 PM 12/4/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>A similar point: Due to the demise of legacy ports, we need to replace the
>RS-232 port on our embedded product. Future Technology Devices
>International (FTDI) has an interesting part (FT232BM) that talks serial out
>one side and USB out the other. Does anyone have experience with this sort
>of thing?
>
>I also have found several "smart cables" that will do the same serial <-->
>USB trick for US$20 - 30. Any experience here?
>
>I'm concerned about the timing of the transfers, latencies, and the
>difference between the byte-oriented nature of serial and the block-oriented
>USB. I need a data "pipe" but I still need to care about the dynamics (ie,
>timing) of how the data flows through the pipe.
>
>Any thoughts? >607-656-2597 >-----Original Message-----
>From: Francois [mailto:]
>Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 4:36 PM
>To:
>Subject: Re: [68HC12] XP and CABLE12 >Hi,
>
>Related to HC12 development tools. I seems that the Mr. Gates would like to
>abandon legacy ports for USB/FireWire(courticy MAC).
>
>So this beggs the question, whats gona happen to all those millions of RS232
>devices out in the field, especially industrial environments where things
>stay pretty passive for long periods.
>
>A PalmPilot or handheld PC might be a nice way of configuring field devices,
>collecting data etc. However it seems like the support for RS232
>connectivity (wired) seems to be very unlikely in the near future on these
>devices.
>
>On the other hand it seems like well known name brands for PC boxes seem to
>exclude legacy ports-since most households just wanna surf the net (I
>guess). In the case of clone PC mother boards, it seems like the support
>seems to be pretty much in tact for legacy ports. In fact, one of the new
>chipsets for the P4 processor has provision for legacy ports - (including
>the AT101 keyboard mind you)
>
>USB seems so awkward as a replacement for RS232. Most micros comes packed
>with at least a UART, so are the micros gonna ship with USB peripherals no??
>
>What does the list think? >
>
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Re: XP and CABLE12 - Author Unknown - Dec 4 19:23:00 2002

In a message dated 12/4/02 6:46:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
writes:

> A similar point: Due to the demise of legacy ports, we need to replace the
> RS-232 port on our embedded product. Future Technology Devices
> International (FTDI) has an interesting part (FT232BM) that talks serial
> out
> one side and USB out the other. Does anyone have experience with this sort
> of thing?
>
> I also have found several "smart cables" that will do the same serial <-->
> USB trick for US$20 - 30. Any experience here?
>
> I'm concerned about the timing of the transfers, latencies, and the
> difference between the byte-oriented nature of serial and the
> block-oriented
> USB. I need a data "pipe" but I still need to care about the dynamics (ie,
> timing) of how the data flows through the pipe.
>
> Any thoughts?
The FTDI usb<>rs232 chip is used in the sealevel usb<>rs232 converter.... I
stuck a couple of those in front of my rs232 device and pitched it as a usb
device... worked good enough at regular baud rates... Those usb chips are
really masked programmed 8051s running at 11 mhz... pretty complicated
compared to a serial port, but if it works and its cheap enough, its ok I
guess....
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Re: XP and CABLE12 - Bob White - Dec 7 15:50:00 2002

Although it's beginning to sound off-subject, I got the Rev E. CABLE12 from
P&E and it still didn't work (at first). Then I found the following XP
related Dell help file.
-------------
Configure the Windows XP Port Settings

Click the Start button, right-click My Computer, and then left-click Manage.
In the left pane, click Device Manager.
In the right pane, scroll down to locate Ports (COM & LPT).
Click the plus (+) sign next to Ports (COM & LPT).
Double-click the ECP Printer Port.
Click the Port Settings tab.
Click Use any interrupt assigned to the port.
Click to check Enable legacy Plug and Play detection.
Verify that LPT1 is selected in the LPT Port Number drop-down box.
Click OK.
------------------

Then I set the cmos setup port configuration to AT and I could connect (ECP
didn't work). It bailed twice, but then ran OK. I'm using Metrowerks
CodeWarrior to connect to my target via BDM.

So it's beginning to look like the problem is two-fold. Below-spec parallel
port hardware in the new Dells, and XP not talking to the parallel port in a
useful way in its default configuration, above and beyond the cmos setup.

Dell tells me that the new drivers won't allow installing 98SE on this
hardware. It doesn't like my monitor extension cable either. The hard
drive on my last Dell lasted 1 1/2 years. Maybe all their hareware is
low-budget these days. Its a tough market. I think the main lesson here is
don't buy a Dell with XP (that or 2000 is the only way you can buy one) if
you want more than a desktop play station. But they still have good
support.

Bob White





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